Talk:Fritz Haber
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[edit] Biography assessment rating comment
WikiProject Biography Assessment
The article may be improved by following the WikiProject Biography 11 easy steps to producing at least a B article. -- Yamara 01:29, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] "Jewishness"
Is that word really correct? Shouldn't it be "his jewish background" Shanekorte 03:45, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] And another thing
This sentence: "Members of Haber's extended family died in concentration camps through the use of his invention, Zyklon B." seems stupid. His family members may have died in the concentration camps, but what proof is there that they were gassed? maybe they starved, or were shot, or worked to death. It is an ironic, even romantic notion that his family would suffer indirectly from his hands, but that notion does not belong in this article. maybe if the word "perhaps" were put in before the word "through" it could be rectified without being ... wrong. Shanekorte 04:03, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
- Word 'possibly' added. Norvo 00:32, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
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- It doesn't make the article any better. Just more weasel-words and unfounded speculation. Shanekorte is right — it doesn't belong in the article. —QuicksilverT @ 10:06, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
Haber's age at death is given in the article as 65, 69 and 73 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.145.241.225 (talk • contribs) 15 August 2007
[edit] through the use of his invention, Zyklon B.
can we have the exacte reference of this.
[edit] minor additional information
Cite:He was even given the rank of Captain by the Kaiser, a rare thing for a scientist too old to enlist in military service
He was give the title of Hauptmann (Captain) is true - but jews were (usually) not allowed in the officer corps - he was one of very very few exceptions. His promotion was only unusual on behalf of being a jew and not because of age or other reasons. The evening his wife killed herself - it was the party for both Ypres and his promotion to captain.
Also it should be noted that he was asked for help on the use of chemical weapons in Algeria and other places between WWI and WWII and did not fail to answer.
- By WWI the huge increase in the size of the German Army meant that some of the prejudices against Jews were set aside, and a few were appointed as officers, especially if they had converted to Christianity and become hardline German nationalists. Cf. Heinrich Spiero, who was appointed to the Reichswirtschaftsamt and rose to the rank of Major. Like Haber, he was a convert to Protestantism. None of this diminishes the ironies of Haber's situation. Norvo, 16:03, 31 July 2006 (UTC).
[edit] Nobel year
Does anyone here have the book Enriching the Earth? In Omnivore's Dilemma, where the author used Smil's book as a source, says Haber got the 1920 Nobel for "contributions to agriculture" or something. I checked Wiki's list of nobellers and there is already some other german dude in 1920 list but can someone check this? 82.93.133.130 14:10, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
- I think Omnivore's must be wrong. This agrees with Wiki. 82.93.133.130 14:13, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Proposal for merging in Clara Immerwahr
Per my recent review of that article, I suggest merging the material on Clara Immerwahr into this article, as Immerwahr's independent notability is unclear and much of that article seems to cover Haber's contributions. Please discuss this proposal here. Espresso Addict 08:39, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
- The off-wiki article linked at Clara Immerwahr says she was 'the first woman to receive a doctorate in chemsitry from the University of Breslau', which is pretty marginal for notability IMHO, (and isn't mentioned in the article.) I support a merge, (leaving her page as a redirect) since only a couple of lines would be needed: herself a chemist, translated his work, shot herself. Squiddy | (squirt ink?) 07:46, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
I think the relevance of Clara Immerwahr as a Scientist, a Pionner on Women's rights, and in Pacifism is fundamental and deserves her own place in Wikipedia as a model for all three things. Remember that women were NOT allowed to work in Germany in the beggining of the 1900 if they were married so it was not her decision to step out from research but a consequence on the social conditions. Moreover, Dr. Immerwahr death was the only way that she had to show the wrong consequences of the Ypres bombardements led by her husband. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.2.63.88 (talk • contribs) 11:32, 27 July 2007
- I take your point that it's a bit of a slap in the face for a pioneer of women's rights to be redirected to her husband's page; however, at present, the page for Clara Immerwahr has very little information that does not relate to Haber, and does not stress her individual notability. The lack of proper referencing is also problematic, and the linked biography of Immerwahr has all the same problems as our article. Do you have suitable resources to expand and improve Immerwahr? I don't read much German, so I don't stand a lot of chance. Espresso Addict 11:06, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
Well, my German is not good either. But I've read several things related to educated jewish women, the start of WWI and the role of Haber in the chemical warfare and I am a chemist myself. One of the first women to obtain a degree certainly deserves a larger article. I will try to include some more information regarding her Ph.D Thesis. Moreover, Clara Immerwahr was translating into English her husband's work for a period. This is documented in several of Haber's biographies. One of the most important points that is documented is that when Haber started to try chlorine as a poison gas there was an accident and the Kaiser Wilhem Institute and one of the people working with Haber died and several were injured. Clara seem to have been one of the first persons to arrive to the lab after the accident took place. She then knew what were the effects of chemical poisoning and probably suicide was her only way to show her opposition to the chemical war. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.128.226.28 (talk • contribs) 13:32, 28 July 2007
- If you plan to develop the Immerwahr article further then I'm happy to leave it unmerged. Espresso Addict 16:07, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
[edit] References
First 1868-1934 gives 65 years! Fixed it!
- Hanspeter Witschi (2000). "Fritz Haber: 1868–1934". Toxicological Sciences 55 (1-2).
- Bretislav Friedrich. "Fritz Haber: Chemist, Nobel Laureate, German, Jew. By Dietrich Stoltzenberg. Book Review". Angewandte Chemie International Edition 44 (26): 3957-3961. doi:.
- Dietrich Stoltzenberg. (2004). Fritz Haber: Chemist, Nobel Laureate, German, Jew. Chemical Heritage Press, 326 pp. ISBN 0-941901-24-6.
- {*Lindern, Celia von (1999). "Fritz Haber, 1868-1934: Eine Biographie (review)". Technology and Culture 40 (4): 886-887.
--Stone 07:11, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
