Talk:French Mandate of Syria

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Contents 1 French mandate of Syria and Lebanon? 2 Incorrect Presentation 3 Can I do some changes? 4 Map Change 5 A new map, what do you think?

[edit] French mandate of Syria and Lebanon?

There's a thing which is rather unclear in these articles, when France obtained control over Syria, wasn't the entire thing called the French mandate of Syria, including Lebanon? I doubt Lebanon was considered separate back then, until Syria was split into five parts anyway, so mentioning Lebanon as separate from the rest of the Syrian mini states is kind of nationalist POV (Lebanese have a tendency to claim the country always existed), Lebanon was pretty much as important as the other, more ill-fated countries.

Or am I wrong, was it called the French mandate of Lebanon and Syria right from the beginning, or was Lebanon simply a region within Syria? Funkynusayri (talk) 07:59, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Incorrect Presentation

During the Ottoman period (before 1918) there was no such thing as the independent state of Lebanon. Lebanon had been always part of Syria since the Roman period and maybe earlier.

Why isn't this fact shown in this article? and why is Lebanon treated in a different manner than the rest of the "Syrian new states" during the French mandate over Syria?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.86.12.39 (talk) 21:46, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

• I think it's because people just don't know about it. It should be changed, and Lebanon should be included in the map. Funkynusayri (talk) 19:09, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Can I do some changes?

Hello, I can add some information to the article to make it clearer. I can also add some missing flags (like the flag of Damascus). Can I rewrite some parts of this article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by HD1986 (talk • contribs) 19:34, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

• Of course, the article is a mess as it is. Could you also clarify the Lebanon thing discussed above? Funkynusayri (talk) 19:36, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Map Change

I agree that the map should be changed. Hatay & Lebanon at that time were part of French mandate of "Syria." All the agreaments and the League of nation's papers refered only to a mandate of "Syria" but never to Lebanon or Hatay. France sought to break Syria into six states, but it succeded only in making three (although Hatay is not really a state today).HD1986 (talk) 17:44, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

• We should have somehting like this: [1] Funkynusayri (talk) 14:23, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Great, I agree.

The article should be changed to "French mandate of Syria and Lebanon." They can't be treated separately because they started out as a single thing (the mandates of Syria and Lebanon).HD1986 (talk) 17:19, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

• Why should the name be changed? If so, it should be called "French mandate of Syria, Lebanon, Jabal Druze, Alaouites, Aleppo, Damascus, and Alexandreatta". Funkynusayri (talk) 23:34, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

True, but I think that some people may get confused between the term "Syria" in its modern sense and what "Syria" meant at that time.HD1986 (talk) 10:49, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

• Well, then we should explain it in the article... The concept of the greater/historical region of Syria should probably be mentioned somewhere. Anyway, I think it's explained well by this line: "while the French controlled the rest of Ottoman Syria (modern Syria , Lebanon, and Hatay province of Turkey)." Funkynusayri (talk) 10:54, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

I don't think that modern Lebanese would like the article that way.HD1986 (talk) 13:38, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

• Heh, well, this is about historical facts, not about what modern Lebanese would like. Funkynusayri (talk) 13:51, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

By the way, the borders between Damascus and Aleppo are not very accurate in our map. Compare with the map you referred to, Palmyra was within Aleppo, the Aleppo borders should be drawn further south in the Wiki map. HD1986 (talk) 14:09, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] A new map, what do you think?

Hey, this is a new map: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Mandate_of_Syria.png

This is more comprehensive and the borders are more accurate, what do you think?

I have a question about the flag in the info box, does the flag have to be the last flag used during the mandate? why shouldn't it be the first flag? HD1986 (talk) 15:54, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

• Yeah, I like that map better, though someone should make a SVG version of it. But remember to choose what license you release it under, otherwise it will get deleted by someone. I'll fix that one for you, but notice what I do. As for the flags, well, I'm not sure. Funkynusayri (talk) 16:26, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Actually the flags usually associated with the mandate are ones carrying the French canton. See this page: http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/sy-his1.html and this one: http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/lb_his.html

I suggest going with the flag that included both Syria and Lebanon (the ugly one with the crescent), or the flag of the Syrian federation (better looking)... but the flag of the Syrian Republic, the current one, is not really representative of the mandate. HD1986 (talk) 17:50, 17 April 2008 (UTC)