Talk:Frank McGee (ice hockey)

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[edit] Age, Height and Weight

How does it make sense that he is listed under 1892 births? That would make him 13 years old both in that picture and when he scored 14 goals in a game. -- Hmmmmm382

It doesn't, actually, given that his first amateur season was in 1899. Actually, McGee's birthdate, as well as damn near anything about his life, is more or less unknown. I've filled it out a bit, and removed the stub notice -- it's tough to call an article a "stub" when it contains all the non-original research available. I've also cleaned up some of the language: people have the notion that McGee was some sort of perennial star when he played in exactly 23 regular season games for the Silver Seven. RGTraynor 05:57, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

I've added more information. His correct birth date is known. Alaney2k 15:51, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Frank McGee was 6'0 feets, 191 pounds and was born in 1879. The Ultimate Hockey book (Weir, Chapman, Weir) is my source. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.202.66.176 (talk) 01:50, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Frank McGee doed at 35 years of age like the article linked tell. 1916 minus 35 = 1879. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.202.66.176 (talk) 04:30, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Frank McGee was definitely not 6 feet tall. I have not see any source for that. It would definitely be incorrect if that is the listing in Ultimate Hockey, which I don't think is considered encyclopedic. As for his DOB, November 04, 1882 is the accepted date. Alaney2k (talk) 19:23, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

As for the age, the article is typed in from a scan and incorrectly transcribed 33 as 35. Alaney2k (talk) 21:31, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] GA Review

GA review (see here for criteria)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose): b (MoS):

   The first paragraph should be using mdashes. Change "aka" to "frequently known as" or something more professional. Try to keep citations after punctuation marks. "Election to Hall of Fame" is not needed. Regarding colours and indents, the stats table is not consistent with other hockey articles.

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):

   The citations are confusing. Are they coming from that book? Is the book used at all? Also, citations require a publisher. Some of the citations feel more like personal remarks than assertions of fact.

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

   On hold.-Wafulz (talk) 18:05, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

• Mmm ... the stats table is quite consistent with other hockey articles. Where it differs is in not including assists, a statistic not tabulated during McGee's playing days.  RGTraynor  18:16, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
  • I mean alternating colours. It's difficult to read if every row has a white background.-Wafulz (talk) 18:31, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

• I have done the table. I listed the book separately and then there is one reference to the book inline. I was possibly expecting more than one reference to the book. I will work on correcting the references. The first two refs are explanations, rather than citations. I can take suggestions on how to do that better? Alaney2k (talk) 18:44, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
  • If I use books, I split up my reference section into "Foonotes" (for stuff like <ref> tags) and "References" (for book titles).

Other Comments:

• Per WP:MOSBIO, the opening sentence should be "Frank McGee( born x died y) was a Canadian ice hockey player" (omit his birthplace/hometown, it's in the infobox)
• The lead should mention his blindness, death in battle, and introduction into the HHOF
• The article inconsistently refers to him "Mr. McGee" and "McGee". Pick one and stick with it.
• "McGee was also known as" should be "McGee was known as"
• "after losing use of one of his eyes" should be "after losing use of an eye"
• Citation #5 has two periods in a row
• "However, he was convinced to play for the Ottawas at the risk of permanent blindness". This is confusing - did someone convince him to play? Or was he determined to play.
• "Despite being the youngest member of the team and only five feet six inches tall, playing in a brutal game he excelled for the team". Awkward sentence. Try "Despite being the youngest member of the team, standing only five feet six inches tall, and playing in a brutal game, he excelled."
• Dates are inconsistent. I see DD MM YYYY and MM DD YYYY both being used. Pick one.
• "He was notable for scoring several goals in a single game on a number of occasions, the most famous being his 14 goal effort in a 23-2 victory over the team from Dawson City, on 7 February 1905 for the Stanley Cup, the most lopsided playoff game in Stanley Cup history. It remains to this day the most goals scored by a single player in a Stanley Cup hockey game, and has not been surpassed in any professional match" is awkward. Try "He was notable for having several multi-goal games. The most famous came on February 7, 1905, when he scored 14 goals in a 23-2 Stanley Cup victory over the team from Dawson City. It remains most lopsided playoff game in Stanley Cup history, and to this day, no player has surpassed his 14 goals in a professional Stanley Cup match."
• "a contemporary of McGee's and like him a member of the Hockey Hall of Fame, said of him". Change this to "a contemporary of McGee's and member of the Hockey Hall of Fame, said of him"
• "After Ottawa lost the Stanley Cup to the Montreal Wanderers in 1906 McGee, although only 23, decided to retire". Try "After Ottawa lost the Stanley Cup to the Montreal Wanderers in 1906, McGee retired at just 23 years old"
• "Rivalled" is a misspelling - it's "rivaled"-Wafulz (talk) 19:29, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the review. I'll let you know when it's all been addressed. Alaney2k (talk) 21:38, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

I've made a few grammar tweaks and promoted the article.-Wafulz (talk) 15:54, 26 May 2008 (UTC)