Talk:Frank Martin (basketball coach)

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• Drop the "risky hire crap" It will be deleted immediately --Fatty4ksu 07:26, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

• I removed the references to Delonte Hill - the link provided did not mention anything about him, nor does it matter, because this isn't Delonte Hill's article. Also, nowhere does it mention anything about this being a "best-case" hire - that is purely opinion, and until there's a link here from an independent source that says such, it's not going in the article. Conversely, the mention of it being a "risky" hire was also opinion, and I yanked it as well. The article (what little there is of it) reads just facts now. --fuzzy510 03:17, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

• It's Dalonte Hill, moron. --Fatty4ksu 09:50, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

• Unbelievable. Out of everything Frank Martin has done, you pick out that to write. You don't even touch on his coaching stops. YOU LINK A FRIGGIN FANHOUSE ARTICLE. Total BS and you know it fuzzy. --Fatty4ksu 11:54, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

• An absolute joke. Your two sentence description of Frank Martin will not stand. He's had 20 years of coaching basketball and you characterize him as a "shady recruiter" because of one incident. Pretty much every coach has had one incident where they got in trouble. Are they all shady recruiters? Embarrassing. Utterly embarrassing. --Fatty4ksu 09:38, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

• First, let's be sure that all of our comments here are signed and free from personal attacks; I have fixed them. Second, it is a fact that Martin and his last school in Florida had recruiting issues. To not note that in this article is censorship. The article should not be "fan"-based nor defamatory. Let's agree to keep the vitriol out of the article, and allow the article to be as unbiased as possible. Spacini 15:01, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
  • I have also added an additional comment that was previously listed at Talk:Frank Martin (basketball coach)/Comments. To add my two cents, Spacini has echoed my stance on this discussion exactly. --fuzzy510 17:04, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

• That's an out of this world joke spacini. To only include that one month period in his entire career in his wikipedia bio, and include absolutely nothing else looks incredibly biased and laughable. This has nothing to do with being a "fan" If you want to include his incident 10 years ago on the high school level, it would be in your best interest to talk about his year of college coaching, how he was raised, how he started in basketball, etc... Until you see those things, including two sentences on Frank Martin, one totally painting a certain picture on the man will not be tolerated. Period. End of story. --Fatty4ksu 03:09, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
  • As I mentioned to you on your talk page numerous times, if the article is not as complete as you'd like it to be (or, really, as anyone would), please expand it for us. Then there will be the background that you so desire on Mr. Martin. Your removal of the fact that he had recruiting issues to the point where he was fired and had a state title expunged is flat censorship, and it's more than reasonable to assume that since you have "KSU" in your usernamen and since nearly all of your edits have been on Kansas State-related topics that you're doing this to further a KSU bias. You make it seem as if the mentioning of that fact is making it seem like the article outright states that he's a terrible person, or something. Heck, you're so clouded by this that you even reverted an earlier link that said that he managed to keep the top recruiting class in the nation at K-State!
    There are two ways to handle this. The first is to expand the article, giving proper attention to the other aspects of Frank Martin's career, and leaving the project with a better article in the end, causing everyone to go home happy. The second is to continue with this ridiculous edit war, doing absolutely nothing to help the project and almost certainly forcing an admin to come in and resolve the issue. Please approach this the right way. --fuzzy510 03:27, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] NPOV approach

I've cited the CBS report and reworded the presentation for neutrality. Durova^Charge! 17:06, 5 August 2007 (UTC)