Talk:Franco-Russian Alliance

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[edit] William II Wanted a Continued Treaty of Friendship with Russia.

William II did not want the treaty with Russia to lapse, negotiations failed and William II fired his foreign minister, in part, for his failure to renew the treaty. At the first opportunity, William II personally and successfully negotiated a new treaty with Russia, better and more extensive than the old and it was signed by the Nicholas II and William II at Bjorko. The article presently implies that William II did not want a treaty with Russia which is absolutely false. Werchovsky 16:57, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Discussion

I removed the following assertions which do not really stand up to rigorous intellectual scrutiny:

The meat of the treaty was contained in Articles 2 and 3 and put Europe on a hair trigger for war. If any member of the Triple Alliance (Italy, Austria-Hungary, or Germany) started to mobilize its army, Russia and France were required to mobilize their armies and fight Germany. The specific language at it appears in the U.S. Congressional record of December 18, 1923 page 357 runs: "2. In case the forces of the Triple Alliance, or of one of the powers which are a party to it, should be mobilized, France and Russia, at the first indication of the event, and without a previous agreement being necessary, shall mobilize all their forces immediately and simultaneously, and shall transport them as near to their frontiers as possible. 3. The available forces which must be employed against Germany shall be: For France, 1,300,000 men; for Russia, from 700,000 to 800,000 men. These forces shall begin complete action with the greatest dispatch, so that Germany will have to fight at the same time in the east and in the west." General de Boisdeffre and Alexander III agreed that "Mobilization is War." Under these terms, in 1914, when Austria-Hungary partially mobilized against Serbia in response to Serbian mobilization, Russia and France were required to mobilize all their forces and fight Germany.

Mobilization is of minor importance when we talk about 1892. If you need to quote the entire treaty, you should apply to Wikiquote. The claim that Russia and France "put Europe on a hair trigger for war" is extremely biased. --Ghirla-трёп- 23:13, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

When Russian Emperor Nicholas II abrogated the 1905 Bjorko Treaty with Germany his excuse was that Bjorko conflicted with his father's treaties. This was almost certainly a reference to the 1892 Franco-Russian Alliance.

The Treaty of Björkö never came into effect, so it could not be "abrogated". --Ghirla-трёп- 23:13, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Article 7 of the treaty required all its terms to be kept secret, and so it is also sometimes called The Secret Treaty of 1892.

There is no evidence that this title is applied to the treaty in modern scholarly literature. --Ghirla-трёп- 23:13, 25 July 2007 (UTC)