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[edit] Neutrality
I'm concerned about the neutrality of this article. It uses the word leading several times without justification and the overall tone is much like a marketting piece for the company. These statements need to be backed up, eg by citing a trade magazine or independent analyst. Stylistically, it should also cut down on the buzzwords and put the openning comments on Mirchandani further down into the article. I'm not saying it's wrong, just that it doesn't justify the claims and reads like a vanity piece. -- JDX 04:50, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
- Hope your queries have been adressed. Please feel free to edit the article to your satisfaction.
- I was relunctant to change the article as it's clearly being maintained by Tanksingh and I wanted their approval. Nevertheless, I've reworded the opening. It's a bit clumsy, but if people are happy with it let's get rid of the POV. -- JDX 05:47, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
- Since the necessary modifications to the tone of the article have been done. I am removing the POV. Where Therez a Will Therez a Way Tanksingh 21:38, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Marketing bumpf
Removed the direct citation of corporate marketing bumpf and summarised.--Saganaki- 14:16, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Founders
The founders section should start with the following statement
"Fractal was started in Year 2000 by five founders viz Nirmal Raja Palaparthi, Pradeep Suryanarayan, Ramakrishna Reddy, Pranay Agrawal and Srikanth Velamakanni. Two of the founders Ramakrishna Reddy and Pradeep Suryanarayan have quit recently after building Fractal for 7 years. The rest three run the firm today."
Today the article is completely silent on the fact that these two founders had a role in building the company.
There are several press articles stating this fact and can be easily assertained with one search on google. http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/private/snapshot.asp?privcapId=24601646 http://www.vccircle.com/2007/07/26/trouble-at-fractal-analytics-company-to-take-two-co-founders-to-court/ http://www.globallogic.com/upload/SundayTimes_Best%20buddies.pdf http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/News/News_By_Industry/Services/Consultancy__Audit/Outgoing_co-founders_want_Fractal_stake/articleshow/2576771.cmsv http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/News/News_By_Industry/Services/Consultancy__Audit/Outgoing_co-founders_want_Fractal_stake/articleshow/2576771.cms http://bombayhighcourt.nic.in/data/original/2007/ARBP52807201107.pdf —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.169.3.193 (talk) 18:41, 28 November 2007 (UTC) If required I can provide a lot many other press mentions and even legal documents to this effect. Lettruthprevail (talk) 22:44, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Any contentions on founders
I would be including the Founders line as suggested by Lettruthprevail. If anyone has any claims opposing the same. Please revert here. Tanksingh Where Therez a Will Therez a Way 21:09, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Clarification
Fractal was founded by six founders and all of them can be mentioned on the page. Fractal's original founders are the following (in alphabetical order):
Nilanjan Ray, Nirmal Palaparthi, Pradeep Suryanarayan, Pranay Agrawal, Ramakrishna Reddy and Srikanth Velamakanni. Nilanjan Ray quit in March 2001; Two others (Pradeep Suryanarayan and Ramakrishna Reddy) quit in June 2007. s2rikanth —Preceding comment was added at 10:17, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
I have updated the page to reflect the names of all founders of Fractal. Please do let me know if anyone may have objections to the same. Thanks a ton. s2rikanth —Preceding comment was added at 10:26, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
good to see some humility from u srikanth 203.196.188.132 (talk) 10:40, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
It would be useful to know who wrote the comment (rather than just leaving an IP address behind) s2rikanth —Preceding comment was added at 11:28, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
Dear 203.196.188.132, please read the Wikipedia guidelines Talk_page_guidelines and adhere to them as much as possible. Identifying oneself is one of them. s2rikanth —Preceding comment was added at 19:02, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
S2rikanth are you very sure there are six founders of Fractal? User Lettruthprevail above seem to think there are only five and in fact all the links posted by him/her seem to suggest the same. Google search aslo gives instance of only five founders, in a cursory search i didnt find a single reference of the sixth founder Nilanjan Ray. If indeed your contention is right, can you or some one else who knows about this also put a couple of lines on each of the other three founders, it would be interesting to know about them too. thanks. Rimjimjim (talk) 23:43, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Employees Feedback
[edit] Important warning to all editors here
A section in the article called "Employee Feedback" will not be allowed until every statement is verified (see WP:V) by reliable, third party sources (see WP:RS). Some of you are bordering on making legal threats which is a blockable offense (see WP:LEGAL). This article is not the place for employees or management to post complaints. Write a balanced article about the company or leave. Criticisms must come from reliable sources and must not be given undue weight (see WP:UNDUE). I have further noticed that many of you are single purpose accounts - that is - you came to Wikipedia for one reason. It is appearing that your reason is to post unverified material about the company and some of its founders. Such activity is disruptive to the mission of Wikipedia (see WP:5P). Because of the above comments I have made, I am blanking the comments made under this section on this talk page. It is my judgment that they constitute personal attacks against some editors here. - JodyB talk 12:56, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Any contentions on founders
s2rikanth could you site any sources to say that there was a sixth founder by the name Nilanjan Ray. While from the links provided above by Lettruthprevail its clear that there were five founders there seems to be no evidence to say there was a sixth founder. Tanksingh and JodyB any ideas on how to get to the facts. If it cant be established that there was a sixth founder I propose to change the inroduction to Founders section to what is suggested by Lettruthprevail "Fractal was started in Year 2000 by five founders viz Nirmal Raja Palaparthi, Pradeep Suryanarayan, Ramakrishna Reddy, Pranay Agrawal and Srikanth Velamakanni. Two of the founders Ramakrishna Reddy and Pradeep Suryanarayan have quit recently after building Fractal for 7 years. The rest three run the firm today." Rimjimjim 17:34, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
- I have no idea about the sources for this article. But you are spot on that sources must be brought to the table. That is the single biggest problem we have here. Everything discussed herein can be handled by careful sourcing to reliable sources. - JodyB talk 20:02, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
s2rikanth, if you are not able to produce any evidence to show that there was a sixth founder of Fractal, I suggest we change the inroduction on Founders to what is stated above. Pl share with us your evidence. Tanksingh and JodyB hope I am right in asking for the evidence. thanks. Rimjimjim 21:29, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
- It is always right to ask for sources. When any fact is questioned, the burden is on the person including it to properly source it. Good job. - JodyB talk 03:07, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
Sorry for the delayed response. My only source is Fractal Analytics website Fractal_Management Fractal. I hope this is sufficient. s2rikanth —Preceding comment was added at 16:40, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
s2rikanth the webpage doesnt talk anything about six founders or about Nilanjan Ray. Even if it were I doubt if it would qualify under the definition of reliable sources Since no evidence is coming forth in s2rikanth's defense I am changing the founders section to what is suggested by Lettruthprevail and for which he/she has given ample evidence in the discussion above. "Fractal was started in Year 2000 by five founders : Nirmal Raja Palaparthi, Pradeep Suryanarayan, Pranay Agrawal, Ramakrishna Reddy and Srikanth Velamakanni. Two of the founders Ramakrishna Reddy and Pradeep Suryanarayan have quit recently after building Fractal for 7 years. The rest three run the firm today." Rimjimjim 03:42, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
Also I propose we add a couple of lines each on the two founders who quit recently to make the section look balanced and comprehensive. Rimjimjim 03:46, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Ownership Structure
Evey corporate is known by its ownership structure, hence I think it is a good idea to add a section on the same below the Founders section. There is enough information available in the public domain to say that the following is the ownership structure of Fractal at this stage, if there are any contentions regarding the same please speak out. Five founders (Nirmal Raja Palaparthi, Pradeep Suryanarayan, Pranay Agrawal, Ramakrishna Reddy and Srikanth Velamakanni) own about 40% of the firm, First Round Investor Gulu Mirchandani owns a little over 50% of the firm, Angel Investors and Employees own about 10% of the firm Rimjimjim 08:33, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
I think this information is not in the public domain (apart from speculative reporting), is confidential, and should be removed from the page asap. Rimjimjim, I appreciate your logic on this front but I would request you to not post original research as it is not inline with Wikipedia guidelines s2rikanth
s2rikanth the ownership structure of fractal is available in the public domain and given in some of the main stream business dailies in India like Economic Times, pl generate a consesus around the subject before removing something from the main page. I had posted the information on this discussion page and asked for objections and you chose to remain silent then. Pl check this link and if you want i can provide you more, thanks. http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/News/News_By_Industry/Services/Consultancy__Audit/Outgoing_co-founders_want_Fractal_stake/articleshow/2576771.cms Rimjimjim (talk) 13:51, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Ordering of the Sections
I propose the following be the ordering of the sections and the reasons for the same 1. Introduction to the company - to give in gist about the company 2. Founders - As founders are the reason why the company came into existince 3. Ownership Structure - As a company ownership structure or shareholding defines what it is and who controls it. 4. Management - Management is appointed by owners / shareholders of the company and is responsible to them and hence should come after the abov two sections. They carry the business of a firm from where the founders leave after taking all the initial risk. 5. Business Lines and products should come next 6. Offices and links, contact info in the last. Request everyone to follow this order or argue their case out here as of why they think some other order makes sense but not to unilateraly change the above order (even if you are the management of the company) Rimjimjim (talk) 14:08, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Ownership Structure
Reintroduced the section deleted by sackapoor. sackapoor it would be better if you explain your reasons for the same instead of going and delete the section. I have already given evidence to say that this information is in public domain published by a reputed and most widely circulated business daily out of India i.e., The Economic Times. As Fractal is a public limited company by paying a very minimal fee any one can access this information from Registrar of Companies (ROC) website. So please explain your actions. Rimjimjim (talk) 14:56, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] The need for WP:Notability
I appreciate the way you guys have begun working together to craft a good article. i know there are differences here that run deep but you are putting aside those differences to produce a good work product. It is now imperative that you begin thinking of how to demonstrate that Fractal Analytics is indeed a notable company. Wikipedia requires that an article have reliable sources which serve to verify the notability of the subject. You will need to find some newspaper or magazine type article that speaks of the company. I would suggest you find this quickly. Someone could mark the article for deletion without the proper sourcing. I am happy to help if you need me. -JodyB talk 00:58, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
JodyB is it sufficient to give the links of various articles that got published in newspapers for this or is there any thing more one is expected to do? Thanks. Rimjimjim (talk) 01:36, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
- Your best plan is to read WP:CITE. This will explain how to build the links. I'll be watching and will straighten out any errors. It seems a little confusing at first, but is really an efficient way to build the article. English language is best but is not required. You want something that will establish the company as a leader or pioneer in some respect. -JodyB talk 03:06, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
The About Fractal Analytics section reference among many others can be found from the following links http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/2005/11/03/stories/2005110301750400.htm http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/257d9b40-1829-11da-a14b-00000e2511c8.html
The founders section reference can be found from the following links among many others http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/private/people.asp?privcapId=24601646 http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshowarchive.cms?msid=1900659 http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/News/News_By_Industry/Services/Consultancy__Audit/Its_divide__grow_at_Fractal_Analytics/rssarticleshow/2067824.cms
The Ownership Structure section reference can be found from this news article http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/News/News_By_Industry/Services/Consultancy__Audit/Outgoing_co-founders_want_Fractal_stake/articleshow/2576771.cms http://timesascent.in/index.aspx?Page=article§id=3&contentid=20070725135410359ab5f12b0 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.169.16.250 (talk) 11:51, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
Would need some help from more experienced editors in getting started on creating references and putting the links in the article Rimjimjim (talk) 08:02, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
Here are some of the recent and verifiable press coverage about Fractal Analytics which should prove beyond doubt the credibility of the organization as a notable company in analytics domain:
CEO Srikanth Velamakanni’s interview at Thinkingstreet.com on Fractal Analytics and the future of business analytics in India: http://www.thinkingstreet.com/business/2007/12/08/interview-with-srikanth-velamakanni-ceo-fractal-analytics/
Fractal Analytics joined hands with Cranes software to successfully launch its new product "Predicta", which emphasizes Fractal’s capability in developing new and innovative products. Below are some of the verifiable press coverage on Predicta’s launch:
http://www.cxotoday.com/India/News/Data_Management_Eased_for_Financial_Sector/551-84860-911.html
http://www.efytimes.com/efytimes/23085/news.htm
http://news.moneycontrol.com/india/messageboardblog/11/21/message_thread/1986716/2400426#m2400426
http://www.indiainfoline.com/company/innernews.asp?storyId=52599&lmn=4
http://www.tradingmarkets.com/.site/news/Stock%20News/866064/
http://www.consumerinfoline.com/nov2007-29_7.asp
http://www.bazaarwatch.com/2007/11/cranes-software-press-release.html
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/Infotech/Software/Cranes_Software_in_deal_with_Fractal_Analytics_for_Predicta/articleshow/2580946.cms
http://www.business-standard.com/common/storypage_c.php?leftnm=10&autono=305941
http://www.tech2.com/biz/india/news/bfsi/fractal-analytics-and-cranes-software-partner-to-launch-predicta/12844/0
http://www.myiris.com/newsCentre/newsPopup.php?fileR=20071129110718043&dir=2007/11/29&secID=livenews
http://indiaoutsourcewatch.com/display_PressReleases.asp?id=PReleases326
http://www.indiaprwire.com/pressrelease/financial-services/200711285888.htm
http://www.indiaenews.com/pressrelease/20071128/83179.htm
—Preceding unsigned comment added by Sackapoor (talk • contribs) 07:59, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
More links verifying launch of Fractal Analytics product, "FMetrics", substantiating the company's capability in advanced analytics product development:
http://www.moneycontrol.com/india/news/press--news/fractal-analytics-launches-fmetrics/296998
http://www.tech2.com/biz/india/news/bfsi/fractal-analytics-launches-fmetrics/2702/0
http://www.indiaenews.com/pdf/63739.pdf
http://www.networkcomputing.in/InfSecurityAug03-07FractalAnalyticsLaunchesRiskAssessmentProductforBanks.aspx
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- This is exactly what we are looking for. I can't do it right now, its early morning in the States, but I will work on a couple of these and include them into the article at the appropriate place. Then you will see how it is done. These kinds of sources will ensure the article will remain. Good job! -JodyB talk 12:24, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
