Talk:Four-ball

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Contents 1 Four Ball 2 Variant 3 Splitting the article 4 Merge proposal 5 Redirect page request

[edit] Four Ball

[This topic was originally posted to Talk:Cue sport and has been copied here because of its relevance.]

Four ball is a very popular carom game played in Korea. Even though I can't find an English webpage that explains how to play (an indication the game may not be popular among English speakers), I feel the game should be documented in wikipedia.

I can attest that the game is played in the US, as I know it's played in a pool hall in Boston that has carom tables.

I'd like to gather up all the information I have on Four Ball (hopefully by finding a set of rules from a book) and write up a new article. Any objections or thoughts from other people before I move forward?

Note that it's a *carom* game, not to be confused with "American Four-Ball Billiards". The following quote from the Billiard Congress of America website explains American Four-Ball Billiards:

The dominant American billiard game until the 1870’s was American Four-Ball Billiards, usually played on a large (11 or 12-foot), four-pocket table with four balls - two white and two red.

fyi: The game is played with two red balls and two white (cue) balls. One of the white balls is spotted or yellow to differentiate it from the other.

Thanks everyone.--PaulLopez 04:06, 27 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Hadn't noticed this post before, so this note is a bit retroactive: The vague mention of a variant in the four-ball article stub led me to fork it into four-ball and yotsudama after some investigation. Both articles need more material and especially some references. — SMcCandlish [talk] [contrib] ツ 22:15, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Variant

While stationed in Korea, I played Four Ball at the rec room on post. I know that the way I was taught by the local Koreans, your cue ball had to strike both red balls without hitting the opponent's cue. We played to a predetermined point level at which time, we had to "3 cushion" to win (cue ball has to touch 3 cushions before striking the final red ball). This may have been a local variant.

[edit] Splitting the article

It's very clear from the description of the balls that "Four-ball version 2" is yostudama. — SMcCandlish [talk] [contrib] ツ 14:38, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Marking topic resolved, as article was split. — SMcCandlish [talk] [contrib] ツ 23:45, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Merge proposal

I can find precisely zero evidence that four-ball and yotsudama are not the same game. Merging the latter into the former is thus called for (and not the other way around, per WP naming conventions - prefer English-language names over foreign terms.) I.e., I want to undo the split I proposed myself. It is becoming more and more clear that the "version 1" of the original article is simply a Korean variant. The very name "yotsudama" means "four-ball". My bad! — SMcCandlish [talk] [contrib] ツ 09:03, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Note: While, by proper procedure, the merge discussion should be happening here, it is actually happening at Talk:Yotsudama. — SMcCandlish [talk] [contrib] ツ 23:45, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Redirect page request

Can someone create redirect pages from the following terms to this article? "Korean Pool", "Korean Billiard", "Korean Billiards", "Danggu"