Talk:Ford Freestar/Mercury Monterey talk

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It's not that I don't believe that the Monterey ceased production, but I was wondering when they stopped making them why do they still have the Monterey website at http://www.mercuryvehicles.com and why 2007 models are still available new in dealers? Also, I'm not expecting any crystal clear answers, but does anyone here know or expect a Mercury replacement of the Monterey minivan? Or will Mercury be left without a minivan after the Monterey? Zastavafan76 23:04, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm guessing they're still on the lots because they aren't selling very fast, and Mercury left the page up on their website to show that there are still new ones available.

I'd say it's unlikely that Mercury will get another minivan in the near future, considering how poorly this one sold. Supposedly the Fairlane concept will be Ford's replacement for the Freestar, but I haven't heard yet if there's a Mercury version in the works. --Sable232 17:28, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, sad news about how Mercury is being neglected by Ford. I hear Lincoln might get its version of a Ford "Fairlane crossover." But your right, no replacement for Monterey. Zastavafan76 23:33, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Split or merge?

Can we split this article into a page for the old Monterey, and a separate one for the minivan? It may actually be better to leave the minivan portion to the Freestar page. Could somebody more knowledgeable on the van say if there are enough respectable differences between the Freestar and Monterey for the Monterey Van to get it's own page? --Sable232 01:51, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Any vehicle currently in production under any nameplate likely deserves its own page. The main Monterey page need be about the current minivan, and the classic Monterey get its own separate branch page, as it ended production in 1974 and will never resume. As the current Monterey minivan is in production, changes will likely be made on the Monterey page, and it's only convenient and sensible to make the 2004-2007 Monterey the subject of the main page at least until a few years. It's not necessary to merge the Monterey article with the Freestar, as there is an $8,945 max price difference, $1,980 minimum, and several cosmetic modifications and equipment to distinguish the two. Unlike the Freestar, Montereys utilize power sliding doors, are available in two additional colors, can be ordered with heated seats, has standard adjustable pedals, cupholders for the 3rd row seat and front AND rear door pockets. The Monterey can not be had with cargo tie downs or a center console, but unlike its Ford twin, can be ordered with a universal remote transmitter and a manual rear seat, and also has memory settings for mirrors and pedals as standard, not available on the Ford. Rear center seatbelts in the Monterey are 3-point, versus none in the Freestar, and has standard head and side air bags, fog lights, front AND rear parking sensors, a rear audio system, 6-CD player, and an optional TV. The Freestar either lacks the aforementioned features or is available with them as optional equipment as compared to standard for the Monterey. Cosmetic differences basically include the grille, wheel styles, headlights, and taillights. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Niels0827 (talk • contribs) 02:53, 10 October 2006 (UTC).

The Monterey van is NOT currently in production. And saying the Monterey sedan will never return is not exactly a good prediction. The differences you list between the Freestar and Monterey aren't much more than the difference between a base and luxury trim of the same car. And please remember to sign your posts.

You should have contibuted to this discussion here and waited until a decision was reached BEFORE creating a new page. --Sable232 14:56, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

It matters not whether the Monterey sedan will ever resume production or not. Initial production ended in 1974 and it wasn't until 2004 that a completely different vehicle took its nameplate. In regards to such, the classic Monterey needed a more detailed page, but the current Monterey is a unique vehicle in its own right. If you don't like what I did, do what you want with it. Rather than just let it sit, I decided to do something about it, and apparently someone objects. Had merging the Monterey van article with the Freestar article been such a good idea, it'd have been done already. You likely won't be getting feedback from many other people on this subject, so if, by claiming you are "in charge" of this article, you can do what you wish. Then again, so can anyone. Do inform me why the Mazda Navajo and Mercury Mountaineer articles are not only very detailed, but are not merged with the Ford Explorer article. While it's true neither of the two vehicles had a nameplate carryover, articles need to be created according to the vehicle, not the name. I see more similarities between older generations of the Mountaineer and the Explorer as compared to the Freestar and Monterey minivan. Also what I don't understand is your notion that I need to take other people into consideration with the article I have created. My decision to make the article was influenced by taking other people into consideration by providing them with info on these cars - more detailed info than a mediocre portion of an article on a completely unrelated minivan. What I did is simply add an article, and it's nothing you can't fix with a simple deletion. The Monterey article in itself is unaffected. You can merge the Monterey page with the Freestar if you want to, but as such you'll need to edit the template for current Mercury models if it hasn't been done already, and despite being very similar to the Freestar, it's not the same vehicle, regardless of how few differences the vehicles share.

Niels0827 15:07, October 10 2006 (UTC)

Oh really? "Had merging the Monterey van article with the Freestar article been such a good idea, it'd have been done already." Let's see. I put that suggestion up a WEEK ago. I could have easily gone ahead and did it, but I wanted input from others first. And saying "You likely won't be getting feedback from many other people on this subject" implies that nobody looks at this page anyway, so why would it have been done?

"by claiming you are "in charge" of this article, you can do what you wish." I never claimed myself to be in charge of this article. I took the initiative to make a SUGGESTION and YOU are the one who decided to make the decision for everyone. You could have simply added your comments here like everyone else is supposed to. The Mercury LN7 does not have it's own page. The Bobcat doesn't even have it's own page, and it had a much longer production run than the Freestar/Monterey.

Would it have been that hard to say "Don't merge it, but split it up"? Enough people could have agreed with you. --Sable232 03:21, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

If enough people would have agreed with me, why are you supposedly making a big deal out of it? Wikipedia is not an e-democracy. There are very few who view these pages, and those who do should get a little more information. By creating a separate article for the classic Monterey, I saved anyone else a bunch of work, which would have included merging the Monterey minivan article with that of the Freestar. By doing so I also opened up an opportunity to provide moe detailed information on a vehicle without having it be on another article which discusses two COMPLETELY different vehicles. At the same time, while not completely different, the Monterey van is not the same as the Freestar. If it was, I believe it would be called the Ford Freestar. If you can differentiate a Monterey from a Freestar by looking at it, they are different vehicles, despite just looking the same. Two completely different vehicles shouldn't have to share the same article. I do have the right to make an article if it doesn't exist without having to be confronted with conflict from anyone, much less someone who doesn't own the subject of the article. With regards to the LN7 and Lynx and whatever re-badged vehicles do not have their own pages, this comes mostly in part to the lack of information on such vehicles. Just because nobody had gotten to these cars yet doesn't mean they don't deserve their own articles. In the future, someone will likely give them their own articles. The LN7, Lynx, and other re-badged Mercurys shared the same body style as another car, but were their own cars on their own rights. Even if the differences were minor and few, they're there.

--Niels0827 07:42, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Don't Combine the Freestar and Monterey pages. They are two separate vehicles and if you combine those pages we should combine every other mercury into fords since most of them share parts with a ford. There is nothing wrong with it getting it's own page