Talk:Fletcher Christian
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I have some concerns about this page. The first is the assertion that Christian married a Tahitian woman on his return to Tahiti and furthermore that she was the daughter of a chief. The story told by some surviving Pitcairner's as well as Christian's crew is that their second stop at Tahiti was only for a few hours, and that the Bounty departed without warning in the middle of the night (effectively kidnapping several Tahitian women). There also did not appear to be any evidence that any woman was Christian's particular favourite, or who she might have been if there was one. I believe that this marriage to a "Maimiti" is simply taken from the Nordhoff/Hall Bounty Trilogy, which fictionalized many aspects of the story. Unless references can be provided for this section (other than the Nordhoff/Hall book), I recommend it be edited, which I will do barring any objections. Secondly, a whole section concerning the blackening of Bligh's reputation by Edward Christian was deleted. This section is important, interesting, and moreover supported by historical documents. Can the person who deleted it please give reasons why this was done? Otherwise I recommend it be returned to its original form. Dhris 19:44, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
- 17 February 2006: I have added links to the Fletcher Christian page re: geneology. The information about Maimiti's marriage and relationship with Fletcher Christian is accurate with regards to information handed down within the family (i.e., NOT from Nordoff & Hall). (I, myself, am a descendent of F.C. and Maimiti.) I have also added links to some of the historical information that is available online via Norfolk Island and Pitcairn Island about the mutineers and Tahitians on Pitcairn Island. I believe that Bligh's reputation was tarnished by the family of one of the sailors, not the Christians, in order to protect the family's reputation. I don't have the citation for that, though. I'll look around and if I can find it, I'll post it. -- silverfern_nc
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- The article is still in bad shape in my opinion. The business about Maimiti (i.e. that they married on Tahiti and that she was the daughter of a chief) is unsourced and needs to come out unless a proper reference can be added. Claiming that it is an accurate representation of family lore does not make it acceptable for an article. Plus, I still like the old section about Edward Christian's attack on Bligh and I think its removal was inappropriate. It was indeed Edward Christian who wrote a pamphlet attacking Bligh with the help of several of the former crew of the Bounty. Finally, where did that painting of Fletcher Christian come from? To my knowledge no contemporary paintings or drawings of Christian exist. It claims to be an "official portrait" but that is highly dubious. Can whoever added it please comment? Otherwise, we need to either remove it, or explain in the caption that it is merely a modern rendering. Dhris (talk) 17:39, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
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- I have now removed the "official portrait". It was not an official portrait but was an item from a Bounty art site that sells prints. Rather than clarifying its provenance and then worrying about the copyright issues, I have chosen just to remove it. A fanciful painting of Christian adds nothing to the article anyway. Dhris (talk) 00:29, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
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Six Pitcairn men guilty of rape doesn't speak to highly of Christian's descendants, but it's something worth watching because of the jurisdiction issue. Sort of ties back into the Bounty as well. Indeed so. Most reputable histories (as opposed to popular fiction) of the mutiny indicate that the mutineers were not generally very nice people. I've added text to the article which discusses the early Pitcairn history. Would it be appropriate to create and internal link to St Bees School where Fletcher Christian was educated? Collieman 11:24, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
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The article may be improved by following the WikiProject Biography 11 easy steps to producing at least a B article. --KenWalker | Talk 00:37, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] What about the Topaz?
There is a history channel documentary that says Pitcairn Island was run into in 1808 by the US Topaz a seal hunting ship captained by Mayhew Folger that discovered what happened to the mutainers. With the only male survior of the Bounty being the mutiner Alexander Smith. This is in direct odds with what's being presented in the article.
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There were British sailors arriving there by 1814 but the details about Christians fate was already known thanks to the Topaz, so I am going to note that instead of the 1814 sailors as it stands now.--Wowaconia 03:10, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
