Talk:Final Fantasy items

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Articles for deletion This article was nominated for deletion on 4 June 2007. The result of the discussion was redirect to Common themes of Final Fantasy.

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[edit] Merge

I merged Phoenix Down with this list. Deckiller 00:17, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] This article...

This article needs to be made into a general encyclopedic article, per Final Fantasy magic. — Deckiller 17:05, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fate of this article

Eventually, this article will be merged into a superarticle called Gameplay of Final Fantasy this merge might take place within a month. — Deckiller 19:55, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Didn't I tell you that our goal shouldn't be to have as few articles as we possibly can? This article can be referenced plenty, and it's already a fine list. No more merging of great articles for the sake of merging them. --Sir Crazyswordsman 14:55, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
Not just for the sake of merging them. If we cannot find enough out of universe information to allow this to stand alone as an article, then it's best not to give it its own article (see WP:WAF, WP:N, WP:ATT). It is easier to establish sources and notability for the gameplay as a whole. Wikipedia's enforcement of policy and take on fiction is becoming more and more strict. However, if the items of Final Fantasy can be found to be the subject of multiple non-trivial sources, then we might be able to get away with having an article on it. — Deckiller 16:54, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
I also don't like the idea of creating one huge gameplay article. The magic page looks pretty good as it is, and with some work this page could be too. There's no real need to combine them. These subjects are notable enough on their own people are just too lazy to reference properly! Vorpal76 01:47, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
While I'm sure that the people with the idea for on giant Final Fantasy Gameplay article have the best intentions, I really don't think it's the right solution. We should continue our effors to improve the individual articles instead. I think vorpal76 is right, if fan's would just start adding the right kind of information instead of game guide info and trivia, and learn to reference then these articles would be completely legitimate on their own. S. Luke 23:11, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The origin of Gil

I found out why they called it that and added it. --Sir Crazyswordsman 14:55, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The fate of this article

I was suprised to see that this article is tagged for possible deletion. I believe this article is certainly notable enough to be on Wikipedia since dozens of other weapons from video games get their own pages, and the Final Fantasy series probably boasts some of the most iconic weapons in electronic gaming history. I also, because of this, believe that there is no shortage of content to make this page a great stand-alone article. The problem as I see it is the article's current format. As it is, the focus is on more or less the history of weapon usage in the Final Fantasy series, which I believe is completely the wrong approach. Isntead we should be focusing on the individual weapons. For example, instead of the section on Knives being one big paragraph that just talks about the weapon in the most general terms, we should individually list as sub-sections, the Main Gauche, Catclaw, Zorlin Shape, Assassin's Dagger, etc. This puts the focus on the indiviual weapons and in my mind, would be a much more useful (both to the fans and newcomers) approach and probably a much more encyclopediac take on the article as well. In the case of especially notable weapons such as Excalibur or Masamune these subesections coudl just be brief paragraphs explaining their cultural significance and how they have been adapted into the series and then the weapons name would be a link to weapon's main article.

Does anybody else agree with me on this? If you're having a tough time understanding what I'm saying then check under the history section and check out the article looked like around December of 2005. I'm asking for the same basic format just for weapons instead of items, because I personally feel that merging also is not the answer and that, while I'm sure they were done with the best of intentions, shouldn't have been merged to begin with.

S. Luke 23:24, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Okay, it kind of took me a while to get what you were saying, but after glancing at the history it looks like what you're saying essentially is that you want the whole article to look more more like the current swords section? If so then I am in complete agreement with you, in fact if memory serves me correctly that's more along the lines of what the FF Weapons article used to look like when it was first created. Also, why didn't you just post under the same headline as Deckiller? Vorpal76 01:31, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying and you're right ages ago the entire Weapons article did used to look like that. Man, I wish there was still some way to check the history section of the Weapons page... S. Luke 23:11, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Redirect

Personally, I don't think that this page should have become a redirect. Most of the information from it is not in the redirected article, such as any gunblade information that I was looking for. I'll give it two days to see what you think, but if no one says anything or opposes it, I'm reverting it back to the version from 4 days ago. JDub90 17:50, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

I agree that it should be reverted back.
Care to explain why? Kariteh 07:45, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
Because there is more information there.
Aw, how cute... if things were that simple.... But I wonder if you have actually read What Wikipedia is not. Kariteh 09:38, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
You mean Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not#Wikipedia is not a paper encyclopedia? Wow, you sure make friends easily.
Wikipedia is also not an indiscriminate collection of information. The key is to balanace between overviewing topics that paper encyclopedias can't do and still keeping excess away. We are still a general encyclopedia, after all. It took me a few weeks to realize this concept as well (I created my share of details for Xenosaga, which I moved to Xenosaga Wikia a few months ago, where such details belong). The Final Fantasy Wikia is perfect for articles on weapons and items. — Deckiller 15:16, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
The Gunblade article, in particular, should not have been merged into the FF project since the Gunblade exists in the real world too. I wrote more on the FF project discussion page regarding this. --Cameron.walsh 15:52, 18 June 2007 (UTC)