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I don't want to start an edit war or anything, but does Howard Kazanjian really belong on a short list of "notable producers"? Personally, I would include Ridley Scott before him (no offense to any fans)... and notice how I didn't include Ridley Scott. - dcljr 02:13, 21 Jul 2004 (UTC)

It's probably because we're talking about producers, not producer-directors. Otherwise you would definitely include Hitchcock, Spielberg and Kubrick as notable producers. I've made a change here because I think this section is highly debatable: "Changes in movie distribution and marketing in the 1970s and 80s gave rise to the modern-day phenomenon of the Hollywood blockbuster, giving even more power to individual directors."

I would say the rise of the blockbuster has given more power to producers. Directors had a brief period in the 70s when they were king, but that's over now. These days the name of the director is a marketing tool, but in Hollywood films the producer is usually the one with the power, except in rare cases like Tarantino. JW 10:53, 1 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] "Notable" producers

I have removed (twice) the line

• Ron Ormond Produced B Western films, starring Lash LaRue.

This is not because I doubt his existence (see http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0650259/) but because a short list like this in an article cannot list every producer everyone likes. B western films don't sound especially notable as such things go, but above all I have removed it because Ron Ormond doesn't have his own Wikipedia entry, which would have subjected him to a community test of notability. Notinasnaid 10:00, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

• Sounds like you, are a movie critic. Ron Ormond produced several films,their posters are collectors items. Several people that became famous, starred in B Western Films. This included Ronald Reagan. In the next few months, i will write an article on Ron Ormond.

An article will be good. I'm not entirely sure that directing movies with people who later became politicians puts people up there with David O. Selznick, but I would not remove the entry on that account. I don't like to see redlinks in "notable" lists, that's all, and apply this idea from software companies to psychobilly bands. Partly because having an article is a test of notability, and partly because the entry is very little use to the reader without the link going somewhere. Ultimately, I suspect the titles of lists like this will have to change to something else, since how do you provide verifiability for who belongs in a list of notables? But that's somthing for another day. Notinasnaid 10:27, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Look, there needs to be specific inclusion criteria to define who should and should not be considered "notable". Being a movie producer in itself is potentially notable, and the list of all producers with articles on WP is potentially quite large; too large to make a complete list worthwhile on this page (that's what categories are for). If someone cannot come up with a specific criteria for notability, then I feel the entire list should be deleted. I personally have no idea what makes any given producer notable, such that they stand out from the rest. For more details, see WP:LIST and WP:SAL-Verdatum (talk) 22:17, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Specifically, I've removed Scott Vogel twice now. Please discuss here before readding him. -Verdatum (talk) 15:08, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Removed Hyphenate

I've removed "Hyphenate" from the list of types of producer. I think someone was making a comment about punctuation. I also removed a line about producers needing to know languages. Don't they have people for that? Rojomoke 12:50, 20 March 2007 (UTC)