Talk:Filippo Tommaso Marinetti

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While Marinetti's ties to fascism are real, they are nowhere near as important as his contribution to all of poetry and art. The long block quote on this page dominates the article, and yet it is not even something Marinetti said! Futurism is not inextricably tied to fascism. What this article needs to focus on is the fact that Italian Futurism, and thus Marinetti, practically triggered all of Modernism by opening up the definition of the poem! Marinetti's work not only forever affected the world of poetry, his writings and the work of his fellow Italian Futurists helped inspire other Modernist movements such as Dada, Rayonism and Vorticism, as well as other Futurisms like Russian Futurism. Check out what Manifesto: a century of isms edited by Mary Ann Caws has to say about Marinetti and Futurism on pages 168 and 169. Read her whole section on Futurism, as it contains several examples of Marinetti's work. There's no denying Marinetti that the things Marinetti proposed were over the top. However, you need to understand the historical background from which he was coming before you can really get a handle on what it was he was saying/writing and why he said/wrote it. As it stands, this article is the poorest I've ever seen on Wikipedia. 70.165.103.248 01:17, 8 May 2007 (UTC)John Wiens Try sourcing, or tracking down some of the sources of [1] if you want to have a less biased biography section.70.165.103.248 01:29, 8 May 2007 (UTC)John Wiens

[edit] Warning for bias please

This is one of the most biased articles on Marinetti I have ever seen. There should be a warning on the top of the page. It begins in 1918, for starters,when it really ought to begin in the late 19th century with his career, or at least in 1909 with the publication of the Futurist Manifesto. Given that Marinetti espoused essentially libertarian socialist political ideals, calling him a fascist ideologue is dishonest. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.70.240.80 (talk • contribs) 16:52, 5 March 2006

The article is rubbish, but it's not wrong to describe him as a fascist - or at least he became one. Paul B 17:58, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
I've added a template to flag the biography content as disputed. I see the term "libertarian" was removed the day after the original poster complained, but there still appears to be some issues to resolve re: fascism. —mjb 03:34, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
It may be worth noting, both for the sake of discusion and in the article itself, that many movements of the avant-garde and their associated politics were inextricable. It is difficult to downplay Marinetti's politics - in a 2007 interview with Deborah Solomon, Umberto Eco actually credited Marinetti as being the founder of fascism itself! At the same time, the contributions made by Marinetti and the Futurists to the entire modernist era were enormous, containing many of the seeds that would later become some of the more well-known avant-garde institutions of the 20th century. This may be difficult to cite, but I suspect that their place in history has been largely disregarded because of their politics. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.142.208.247 (talk) 04:16, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Translate from Italian version of article?

Could someone who can read Italian take a look at the it:Filippo Tommaso Marinetti article and translate some of that material (if worthwhile) here? —mjb 03:34, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm hacking away at it, so to speak, but there's a lot there. Vince In Milan 02:27, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] NPOV

Could someone give some examples of why this artical does not maintain a NPOV? It is incomplete and a messy artical that could do with some work. Although, it doesn't promote opinions or views of any nature. It is rubbish and needs some work, although as I see, it maintains a NPOV. Also, NPOV is not Negative Point of View, it is Neutral Point of View. So articals on Fascism or Nazism (and similar political and philosopical schools of thought) should not promote OR denounce. These articals should simply maintain an objective stand point, undistorted by emotional or personal bias. 121.44.10.42 06:08, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ouch

The Bio section hurts like a knife. Sharp (Full Stop). Blade (Full Stop). In (Full Stop). My (Full Stop). Chest (Full Stop).

Perhaps we need to have something to make this FLOW.I know nothing of this artist so I cannot really help make all well, but someone, somewhere ought to have the knowledge and power to make this happen. Without neurotic full-stops. Crocadillion 23:28, 8 July 2007 (UTC)