Talk:Fiat justitia ruat caelum
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No known classical source. Editing accordingly.
Larvatus 16:18, 4 August 2007 (UTC)larvatus
Murray was actually Baron Mansfield at the time of the James Somersett (not "Somerset") decision; the earldom wasn't created (for the first time) until four years later. So, I'm about to correct both of those (very minor) nits.
Slightly random, but...I was of the impression that this was not, as the current version of the article states, contrary to Roman jurisprudence nor in fact in favor of 'reckless urgency of justice.' My understanding -- coming both from the Latin phrasing (the choice of words, justitia instead of lex) and its usual use in English & American jurisprudence -- is that what it in fact advocates is that the judicial system not let itself be hindered from its task by the possibility of social or political consequences. (A purely idiomatic translation of it into English would be along the lines of "Do what is right, whatever the concequences.") 71.76.239.85 01:05, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
- Okay regarding Murray. As for the slightly random part, I based my edit on the cited primary sources. Can you suggest specific rephrasing? Larvatus 06:45, 17 August 2007 (UTC)larvatus
[edit] German origin, not English
How can the basic principle be of English origin if its German equivalent Fiat iustitia et pereat mundus is half a century older than the first use of its English equivalent and back then was known as the official motto of such a prominent figure as Ferdinand I, Holy Roman Emperor? --Tlatosmd 07:39, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Note on sources
the article on the alternative phrase Fiat iustitia et pereat mundus is based on de WP, and see my note there. I share User:71.76.239.85|71.76.239.85's doubts on the meaning, though the German gives a source for the negative sense, at least of the alternative phrase--such a meaning may well be unique to Germany. Based on the sources as they now appear, I'm adjusting the section on Roman use. A proper modern source for all this is needed. DGG (talk) 00:45, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
