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When was the Manifesto written and by whom? mythrandir 17:52. 23 Dec 2003. (EST)


I am a new user and in my new user talk it said a good definition was needed. Well I added my own, I hope it appears neutral and insigtful; however, I do not know where to go after my definition... this article needs a better transition. Dorfeb 01:32, Jan 13, 2004 (UTC)

Here's a first crack at a translation of the Manifesto itself. (I don't really read Italian; I'm fudging from knowledge of French and Babelfish...)

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Italians! Here is the program of a genuinely Italian movement, revolutionary because it is antidogmatic, (strongly and unprejudicially innovative?).

For the political problem, we want:

a) Universal suffrage according to regional lists, with proportional representation; the vote and [electoral?] elegibility for women.

b) The minimum age for voters lowered to 18 years; that for representatives to 25 years.

c) The abolition of the Senate.

d) The convocation of a National Assembly for the duration of three years, the first task of which is the formation of a constitution for the State.

e) The formation of National Technical Councils for labor, for industry, for transport, for public health, for communications, etc., elected by the whole of the profession or trade, with legislative power, and (directed?) to elect a Commissioner General with ministerial authority.

For the social problem, we want:

a) The prompt promulgation of a law which sanctions for all workers the eight hour legal working day.

b) A minimum wage.

c) The participation of labor representatives in the technical operation of industry.

d) The confidence of these same proletarian organizations (which are morally and technically worthy [?]) in the management of industry and public services.

e) The rapid and complete systemization (?) of the railways and of all transport industries.

f) A necessary modification of the bill on disability and old-age insurance, lowering the age limit, presently proposed at 65 years, to 55 years.

For the military problem, we want:

a) The institution of a national militia with a brief training period and a completely defensive mission.

b) The nationalization of all arms and munitions factories.

c) A national foreign policy recognizing the value in the world, amidst the peaceful competition of civilization, of the Italian Nation.

For the financial problem, we want:

a) A strong extroardinary tax on capital, having a progressive character, which has the nature of a true partial expropriation of all wealth.

b) The siezure of all the property of religious orders and the abolition of all episcopal privelege, which constitutes an enormous drain on the nation and a privelege of the few.

c) The revision of all war contracts and the siezure of 85% of war profits.

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Can someone who really knows Italian take a look at this? I'd like to have an Italian-speaker correct my translation before I put it up on the real page. Tkinias 04:39, 17 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Mithrandir: I believe that it was written by Mussolini himself. There is some question as to whether the later Doctrine of Fascism was really written by him, but I think this is probably his work. AFAIK it appeared without byline in the newspaper he edited.

Tkinias 04:42, 17 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Seizure of war profits, minumum wage, 8 hour work day, tax on capital, and you call this "rightest" elements. Screw you people. What Academic BS is this? Pure and unadalterated propaganda. LIARS LIARS LIARS. You people sicken me. WHEELER 17:39, 2 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Oh, Fascism certainly changed a lot over the years. If you noticed, a sizable part of the Fascist Manifesto is dedicated to expressing their support for democracy, and their desire to increase the democratic rights of the people... but once they came to power, they didn't exactly do that, did they? - Mihnea Tudoreanu

It seems similar to the situation of communism. After the russian civil war, the Russian Communist Party became less and less communist and yet their terrible crimes against humanity have become synonomous with what they claimed to believe. Many communists today would argue that the USSR was not a good example of Communism. I wonder if it could equally be argued that Fascism was not represented properly by Italy of Germany? It seems that Fascism was originally intended to be some sort of corporatism, with standard democratic rights, could it be argued that instead of the meaning of Fascism changing when Italy changed that Italy lost through corruption its more acceptable elements of fascism and degenerated into a form of totalitarianism? It seems that if this were true that our present day nations are alot closer to being fascist than Italy or Germany ever were, as so conveniantly argued by several writers, but not in the way they mean. It also means that fascism should not be demonized in the way it is, it should not be thought of a synonomous with totalitarianism. I personally dont support the original fascism as shown in documents like the Fascist Manifesto, but I condemn the fact that its original meaning has been so changed. Perhaps if beyond all chance that my reasoning is correct then this should be mentioned somewhere on the article on Fascism itself.Real World 04:38, 19 September 2005 (UTC)


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This probably needs to go somewhere other than the main article. Text follows. --Viriditas | Talk 05:18, 17 September 2005 (UTC)

Original Italian version

Il manifesto dei fasci di combattimento published in Il Popolo d'Italia (the newspaper directed by Mussolini) on June 6 1919

Italiani! Ecco il programma di un movimento genuinamente italiano. Rivoluzionario perché antidogmatico; fortemente innovatore antipregiudiziaiolo.

Per il problema politico: Noi vogliamo:

a) Suffragio universale a scrutinio di lista regionale, con rappresentanza proporzionale, voto ed eleggibilità per le donne.
b) II minimo di età per gli elettori abbassato ai I8 anni; quello per i deputati abbassato ai 25 anni.
c) L'abolizione del Senato.
d) La convocazione di una Assemblea Nazionale per la durata di tre anni, il cui primo compito sia quello di stabilire la forma di costituzione dello Stato.
e) La formazione di Consigli Nazionali tecnici del lavoro, dell'industria, dei trasporti, dell'igiene sociale, delle comunicazioni, ecc. eletti dalle collettività professionali o di mestiere, con poteri legislativi, e diritto di eleggere un Commissario Generale con poteri di Ministro.

Per il problema sociale: Noi vogliamo:

a) La sollecita promulgazione di una legge dello Stato che sancisca per tutti i lavori la giornata legale di otto ore di lavoro.
b) I minimi di paga.
c) La partecipazione dei rappresentanti dei lavoratori al funzionamento tecnico dell'industria.
d) L'affidamento alle stesse organizzazioni proletarie (che ne siano degne moralmente e tecnicamente) della gestione di industrie o servizi pubblici.
e) La rapida e completa sistemazione dei ferrovieri e di tutte le industrie dei trasporti.
f) Una necessaria modificazione del progetto di legge di assicurazione sulla invalidità e sulla vecchiaia abbassando il limite di età, proposto attualmente a 65 anni, a 55 anni.

Per il problema militare: Noi vogliamo:

a) L'istituzione di una milizia nazionale con brevi servizi di istruzione e compito esclusivamente difensivo.
b) La nazionalizzazione di tutte le fabbriche di armi e di esplosivi.
c) Una politica estera nazionale intesa a valorizzare, nelle competizioni pacifiche della civiltà, la Nazione italiana nel mondo.

Per il problema finanziario: Noi vogliamo:

a) Una forte imposta straordinaria sul capitale a carattere progressivo, che abbia la forma di vera espropriazione parziale di tutte le ricchezze.
b) II sequestro di tutti i beni delle congregazioni religiose e l'abolizione di tutte le mense Vescovili che costituiscono una enorme passività per la Nazione e un privilegio di pochi.
c) La revisione di tutti i contratti di forniture di guerra ed il sequestro dell' 85% dei profitti di guerra.

In II popolo d'Italia, 6 giugno 1919.

How bout Wikisource, that has the full text of the Communist Manifest, Fututurist Manifesto, ect, ect.....--ThrashedParanoid★ 03:29, 21 March 2006 (UTC)