Talk:Farabundo Martí National Liberation Front
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[edit] Reworked FMLN entry
I have done some work to fix the many problems with this page. I have fixed (and in some cases removed) much of the grammar and unclear English. I have added some information. I have removed things that were obviously not from a NPOV. There is still more work I'd like to do on this page, but I think that I have done enough to warrant removing the NPOV warning at the top as well as the 'copyediting needed' notice at the top. Who can make that decision? Can I just do it myself? --Takealeft 6/6/2006
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I am going to remove the NPOV warning and the 'copyediting needed' notice at the top of this entry. I think I have done enough work on it to have resolved those issues. If someone disagrees, please discuss here. Thanks. --Takealeft 6/7/2006
[edit] Edits: Grammatical, etc.
Removed: "a group that headed a single handed pro cuban insurrectionist leftist movement within the country as early as the 1960's" because it was poorly written, grammatically incorrect (capitalization?), because this article is not about the Sandinistas, and because while the Sandinistas were supported by and ideologically aligned with the Cuban revolution, their raison d'être was the liberation of Nicaragua rather than support of the Cuban revolution. By that logic, the French Revolution was pro-American. Also, please sign edits. Durito 22:06, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
Edited: "Unity of the various formations was not immediate nor a natural result within the battle for the alleged ¨equality¨ that the radical socialists waged", due to lack of clarity and failure to adhere to NPOV and encyclopedic standards. For example, "radical" in this context is a perjorative term rather than a technical one clarifying a particular subset of socialism. Furthermore, the paragraph seemed to be arguing that the FMLN was primarily a Cuban conspiracy, rather than a Salvadoreno movement. --Durito 22:10, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
Added copyedit and POV-check templates. I did some clean-up, but haven't finished. Most of the mess seems to be the result of poor editing done to the original article by an anonymous user. Durito 22:30, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
- I'll be happy to copyedit here too: it's a well-done article and deserves to be presented / heard / discussed etc., controversial or not. But the NPOV elements are too glaring, and I hesitate qua mere copyeditor to eliminate them: for instance,
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- "they went into exile due to the unlawful military administration governments activities..."
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- "Other opinions within the country clearly express hope within the actions of FMLN as their campaign is focused on the socialist aspects of assisting the repressed populations affected by extreme poverty and the ever decreasing natural resources within El Salvador..."
- -- both of which read like a political platform / propaganda, 1970s MaosLittleRedBook stuff, very dated sloganeering -- not needed, here, to make the FMLF point, and simply enraging to the opposition. So if someone else pls would get rid of these two statements and others like them, mere copyeditors like me then can help with the rest: leave that stuff in, tho, and this entire very good article will die for being non-NPOV -- which would be a loss both for its writers and for the Wikipedia.
- --Kessler 23:34, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
I removed the fascist tag as it was clearly a silly mistake [Akimiv]
-This article sounds like someone's opinion at some point, almost like an editorial, specifically the "FMLN in armed struggle" section. Needs to be cleaned up and backed up with citations. [jorge] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 164.44.67.4 (talk) 22:02, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] If you ever tried to talk to one of this bastards....
Then the fascist tag would stay. They are authoritarian in tone, "discussion" is not a word in their vocabulary, they talk loud, all of the party members talk loud and with a lot of hyperbole in a dramatic way that's supposed to shut their opponents the hell up. They are angry people who are not willing to accept anyone's oppinion except theirs. Social justice is just a slogan for them, they only use it to advance their real agenda which is money and power (most of their families live outside El Salvador, in the U.S., Australia or Sweden and have lots of money). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 190.57.7.128 (talk) 14:27, 31 March 2007 (UTC).
[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Elsalvador-fmln.jpeg
Image:Elsalvador-fmln.jpeg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in Wikipedia articles constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
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[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Anamaria1.jpg
Image:Anamaria1.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.
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BetacommandBot 02:30, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
[edit] NPOV?
"The US knew what their funds were being used for, but continued sending money to the extremist groups. All so that there would be no more socialist countries in the "backyard" of the United States and so they could extend their sphere of influence and continue on their imperialist ways. The US government along with the right wing el salvadoran government are responsible for the innocent deaths of women and children during the civil war. Both administrations run by greed and killing the poor who chose to stand against them."
- This hardly strikes me as neutral and encyclopedic (not that I'm denying that there's some truth in it..) This needs to be dealt with. -Etafly 22:38, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
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- This was added in a single edit by Mixdelight. While I have no doubt that this edit is in good faith, it violates both WP:NPOV and WP:NOR, and is a prime example of WP:NOT. -Etafly 22:55, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
