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I have re-written this article as it wasn't in the style of an encyclopedia and had mistakes in places. As it stands now, it should be ok.


Was that "Beyond the Ken" or "Beyond *our* Ken" ?

I'm almost certain it was "our", and I've changed it to that. We even have an article: Beyond Our Ken. --Camembert

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THIS NEEDS RE-WRITING... IT IS EXTREMELY BIASED!

THIS NEEDS RE-WRITING... IT IS EXTREMELY INFORMAL! Posted by User:PhilBroadway

So do something about it....! :) Brookie: A collector of little round things 20:34, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
It reads like a well-written and entertaining newspaper article. I enjoyed reading it, but PhilBroadway is right: it's not particularly encyclopedic. I'll see what I can do to tweak the voice a bit, though I won't have time in the short run. If anyone else wants to take a pass at it, I won't have my feelings hurt :) —CKA3KA (Skazka) 19:48, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Peachy or Pechey

Is the birth name Peachy or Pechey? I have seen both. PaulJones

Her registered name at birth was Phyllis Nan Pechey. I amended this on 23rd. October (giving reason) but it was re-amended on 24th. October by 87.113.19.93 with no reason. Could 87.113.19.93 (whoever that is) please supply the proof for Phyllis Primrose-Peachy (which is, as far as I know, a fantasy name dreamed up by Fanny)?

Craddock or Cradock? The title has one d, the redirect has 2 ds while throughout the article there are 2 Ds for her surname. Anyone want to sort this out?

Looking at the Birth indexes proves her name, however it's actually indexed as: Phyllis Nan S. Pechey, so there was another forename - though it obviously was not Primrose! One would need to buy the birth certificate (at GBP 7) to discover this. Bizzie2bee 01:17, 24 December 2006 (UTC)Bizzie2beeBizzie2bee 01:17, 24 December 2006 (UTC) Her entry in the Death Index is also in the name of Phyllis Nan S CRADDOCK --JohnnyWheater 16:16, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Doughnuts like Fanny's

"The title of Darling's play referred to an incident on an episode of Cradock's TV series in which Johnnie Cradock made comments that were deemed offensive. He said, "You too could have doughnuts that look like Fanny's" and then collapsed into giggles. The innuendo was seen as out of place and Johnnie did not appear for the rest of the series."

Isn't this "anecdote" apocryphal?

Rrsmac 22:50, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

- Not at all. Johnnie's comments were seen as hugely offensive and Mary Whitehouse attacked him in a speech to her Watchdog organisation. Comedians repeated the anecdote time and time again and Fanny herself spoke about the incident on an appearance on Parkinson.

In England Fanny can refer to an intimate part of the female anatomy. So Johnnie's remark is indeed rather near the knuckle. You need to take out the apostrophe to get the full effect, and pluralize the word hence you get " Doughnuts that look like fannies" Luckyles 07:12, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

- This article has been put back to an older version. Why? The older version is extremely un-encyclopedic. It reads like a newspaper column, not a serious entry. My version was based on facts and was written in the appropriate style. Why has PaulJones re-instated his version which is sub-standard?

Thats better!

  • Please don't bring me into this argument. I did not re-instate or revert anything. My only contributions were to include a sentence referring to her father and linking various other names that were already included in the article. PaulJones 09:55, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Gwen Troake

This section is rather long (and I wonder if it was perhaps written by someone who knows Gwen Troake as rather a lot is made of it; or perhaps it was depicted on the recent TV dramatisation which I didn't see). I suggest someone shortens it. Also, is it really true that this incident caused the end of Cradock's career?? Ben Finn 16:11, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Hee hee. Not guilty here, but yes, there was a prog (Fear of Fanny) on UK BBC2 tonight, finishing 22:20 GMT. Wish I'd seen it all. The prog certainly suggests that she lost all remaining shreds of credibility upon this eventSophieCat 00:19, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

I wrote it and no, I don't know Gwen but I was a researcher for the "Fear of Fanny" and worked with Julia Darling who wrote a play about Mrs C. We met Gwen's son and he told us the story. Coupled with other people's testimony on documentaries, it was a big issue and did indeed cause the end of Fanny's career. She was seen as outdated, snobbish and rude and died a very sad, lonely woman. We still love her though.

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[edit] Fanny Cradock Biography

I have included some additional material about FC, much of which is from an upcoming biography about her life entitled Fabulous Fanny Cradock: TV's Outrageous Queen of Cuisine by Clive Ellis (Sutton)Ivankinsman (talk) 10:40, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

BetacommandBot 02:34, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Leytonstone or West Ham??

The primary reference for her birth (GRO Register of Births) gives West Ham as the registration district. Leytonstone is a different / distinct district. Her father was born in West Ham registration district and married in the same district - neither time was it Leytonstone. I have therefore removed the previously-given address: Apthorp House, Leytonstone - to this page for discussion. This address has no street name, nor can it be identified as it stands. Any reference in a later biography may be wishful thinking? Ian Cairns (talk) 18:14, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

I've satisfied myself that she could still be born in Leytonstone and registered in West Ham. So, I've replace the address with the addition of the road name. Ian Cairns (talk) 18:53, 23 January 2008 (UTC)