Talk:False titles of nobility

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I've reverted the latest edits by 62.64.78.179 because they muddy the article something awful, but here's the new paragraphs if anything can be savaged. There does seem to be some new facts here, but I don't know enough about the subject to pick them out.

It is impossible to purchase genuine British titles of nobility or peerage titles, with NO ONE EXCEPTION. Somebody dream that it is possible to purchase a title of Scottish Baron, and some internet sites stated that the Barony of Macdonald was sold by the previous holder for one and half million pounds. Yes, but everything it not so simple. A possibility to buy the title of baron is an absolutely rubbish. It was possible to buy a territorial entity (called barony) even with a big castle, and it is not give you any rights to become a Baron. At the and of the day, without any fee (the only good will of the previous holder) you may receive (before 28 November 2004) a feudal jurisdiction over the territorial barony (even, if you not a landlord), and that, hypothetically, make for you a possibility to became a Baron. But nothing in this act (automatically) made a new holder a Baron and member of nobility. The fairy tale about the possibility to buy a title of baron based on misunderstanding of the real procedure.

The reality is following:

Before 28 November 2004 it was possible to obtain a hereditary title of Scottish Baron out of inheritance in the blood line (same situation with German feudal titles in the time of the Empire). It was possible to obtain feudal rights over territorial entity (territorial barony), by the way that previous holder may issue Abdication Act in favor of anybody he wishes. But, such baronies actually confers nobility only upon petition to the Crown, if the Lord Lyon King of Arms (who is a Sovereign official representative in Scotland) issued a Letters Patent granted arms of baronial form to the petitioner and his heirs , even if they were not previous of an arms-bearing family. Any way, the Abolition Feudal Tenure Act 2000, that came into force on 28 November 2004 put the end this practice. This Act preserves the dignity of baron and heraldic privileges, attached to it (of course, it is implying (only) to Barons that exists on the date 28 November 2004, because was officially recognized by the Crown through the Lord Lyon). Therefore, after 28th November 2004 the dignity of a Scottish Baron became a purely hereditary title of honour, ranking below all baronets and above all Clan Chiefs (who is not a peer of the Realm) and is a part of Scottish nobility system.

There is not such thing as "English feudal baronies" and " Irish feudal baronies" - it was abolished by the Charles II at 1660 and 1662 without preservation of the dignity of baron for the previous holders of such baronies. Some con artists trade with such rubbish.CAVEAT EMPTOR!

The title of Lord of the Manor, a minor feudal title (and NOT a title of nobility), however, can be traded, though not all sellers of such are genuine. The Lord of the Manor is no more than a title of a holder of dogs and ducks and the usage of such title brings to its holder no more than ridicule.CAVEAT EMTOR.

The question of trade in honorifics brings up interesting questions of what is actually being traded, and what benefit is expected to be derived from them. A comparison can be made with unaccredited university degrees.CAVEAT EMPTOR.

Almost all British titles of nobility (genuine only) included into the nobility encyclopedia "Burke's Peerage, Baronetage and Knightage". The last 107 addition was published at 2004. The special encyclopedia "Burke's Landed Gentry of the Kingdom in Scotland" has lot information regarding Scottish untitled nobility.

sjorford →•← 22:17, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Redirected to an article that covers the subject correctly. Millennium Sentinel 09:34, 23 December 2005 (UTC)