Talk:Fallout shelter

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I will add some graphs of gamma dose rate vs. time for the chernobyl fallout soon, the calcs. will be for a person in the open, and for a person with either 10 cm, 20 cm or 30 cm of concrete to protect them.

When/if I get the time, I might add a set of calcs. for A-bomb fallout. These will be more complex as more isotopes will be present. --Cadmium —The preceding comment was added on 16:12, 19 February 2006.

I have added the diagrams, someone might want to improve the formatting of the diagrams to make them look nicer. I will try and repeat this set of calculation for A-bomb fallout (in the words of Captn. Oates 'I may be some time')Cadmium 10:23, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Have added some up-to-date info re Swiss fall out shelters I have seen whilst living there. 194.153.179.156 11:09, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

-- Hey, what's the deal with the sup numbers in this article not existing? Did somebody cut-and-paste from another article? Wikijimmy 02:51, 15 November 2006 (UTC)wikijimmy

Contents

[edit] Links to commercial site where FEMA documents may be downloaded upon payment (moved from references section of main article)

  • FEMA Civil Defense Shelters - A state of the Art Assessment - 1986 This 25 megabyte PDF file is the complete 300 page plus report on civil defense fallout shelter and shelter systems as compiled under contract for FEMA. Includes information on the design, construction, testing and cost of blast and fallout shelters, and includes a bibliography of over 1000 documents. Hosted by SurvivalRing.org.
  • FEMA Fallout Shelter Management Handbook 22 page PDF document - "The safety and well-being of the people in this shelter depend on capable leadership. If a civil defense shelter manager is not present, anyone seeing this handbook who has leadership experience can and should TAKE CHARGE IMMEDIATELY." Hosted by SurvivalRing.org.


Might add some mention of the Ark Two Shelter as an example of a fallout shelter. Sherurcij (Speaker for the Dead) 16:22, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Explanation

Can someone explain 20cm offers better protection than 30cm in the first 10 days or so? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.132.122.135 (talk) 10:39, 22 February 2007 (UTC).

In the first 10–20 days after the fallout, the radiation from the fallout in environment is high and the radiation levels outside the shelter unacceptable. The sturdier the walls, the better the attenuation of gamma radiation from the outside. Of course, if the fallout contaminates the shelter, the radiation comes from the inside and the walls do not offer protection. This is why the air must be filtered. In addition, thicker walls also withstand more pressure, giving the shelter better survivability from a distant blast. --MPorciusCato 13:54, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Question

In the article on radiation poisoning, it is stated that gamma rays can scatter off of dense materials and that the entrances to fallout shelters should therefore incorporate multiple 90-degree turns. Here, it is implied that this is not the case, as a single right-angle entrance is deemed sufficient to prevent gamma ray scattering into the shelter. Clarification? 128.12.137.240

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[edit] United States Legality of Fallout Shelters

US Citizens have the right to install fallout shelters under the 2nd Amendment of the Constitution of the United States. US Citizens are granted the right to bear arms in order to provide protection during life-threatening events. The fall-out shelter legally falls under this provision in the defensive sense. All Americans are guaranteed the right to protect themselves from chemical, nuclear, biological and other forms of attacks foreign and domestic.

Some form of this provision should be included in the article as it is pertinent to US Citizens. I would be more than willing to insert it, however I would like to know where you would prefer it to be inserted and I would like prior discussion regarding this before insertion into article mainframe. --216.229.227.141 (talk) 15:00, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

While I completely support the right of US citizens to build fallout shelters (and I myself have one!), I don't understand how that right would relate to the Second Amendment. Would you mind explaining that? Whind Soull (talk) 06:51, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
I have also no objection to the building of fallout shelters, but I would like to have a reliable source supporting your opinion. In addition, I'd like to know what you actually imply. For example, do you mean that the right to build shelters trumps zoning restrictions? --MPorciusCato (talk) 07:01, 12 May 2008 (UTC)