Talk:Factions in the Democratic Party (United States)
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[edit] African Americans as a "faction"
Should there be a separate subsection for what is identified in the main Democratic Party article (under "ideology and voter base") as the "African American wing"? I realize that in fact there are certainly African Americans who participate in all of the other listed factions. But there are also some uniquely African American institutions in the party such as the Congressional Black Caucus which I think could be addressed here. Robbie dee 18:09, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Faction Order
On the equivalent Factions in the Republican Party (United States) page, the conservative faction of the GOP and the explanations of it's subfactions are put first, with the "moderates and liberals" faction/subfactions explanation below. This is because the conservatives dominate the GOP in terms of numbers, influence and national agenda, while the moderates/liberals/libertarians/log cabins are clear minorities.
Therefore, shouldn't this page be grouped in a similar way? The listing of the factions on this page doesn't really reference to the relative influence of the factions within the party. The liberal wing should be at the top, with the subgroups (liberals, progressives and maybe unions) explained. Then the moderates and conservatives should be under another heading lower down (with the centrist, conservative and libertarian subgroups explained.) And then the overarching ethnic minority heading could be below that. It would just be clearer, and more in line with the other article. EJB341 19:38, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Liberal/Progressive
What is the supposed difference between "liberal" and "progressive" Democrats? Those two terms are basically synonymous and the faction descriptions don't outline a clear difference either. The only difference in practice tends to be that "liberal" is what Republicans call Dems to criticize them and "progressive" is the phrase Democrats now use to avoid being labelled "liberal." I would propose merging the two faction descriptions. 82.152.215.186 (talk) 20:22, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
- Progressivism is both a parent of and successor to European Fascism. American "liberalism" is simply a coexistence of socialism and fascism ideologies (they only differ in operation, not principle), which displaced true liberalism, now known as classical liberalism, in the 1930s and 1940s. So it may be more helpful to tease out the socialist illiberal liberals as distinct from the fascist Progressives. Although I can't immediately think of how this could be done, as Wikipedia, as an organism, is designed to crush any scholarly inquiry.
[edit] "Dixiecrat" not equal to "conservative"
Dixiecratism is left-wing populism. Conservatism is anti-populist. To confuse the terms simply because the South has trended Republican, which is absolutely not to be taken as evidence of conservatism, is an error due to lack of sufficient background in political thought.
