Talk:FA Community Shield
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[edit] Number of wins (Club Only)
There have been several edits in the past few days, some putting Manchester United at the top of the table, others putting Liverpool. It is my belief that as teams with equal number of wins are sorted alphabetically in the rest table, this should be the same for the top and that Liverpool should be placed ahead of Manchester United.
Dukeseee 16:03, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
I disagree on the basis that United have won eleven outright (eleven not shared) in comparison to Liverpool's ten. For consistency I'll adjust the rest of the table accordingly. I haven't moved Liverpool below Arsenal on the basis that Liverpool have obtained the trophy more times. Please explain reasons if reverting.
BeL1EveR 19:21, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] 1971 Shield
Being a Leicester fan I have always been curious as to how we won the shield in 1971 having never won the League or FA Cup in our history. Checking on here I can't see why we even contested this final. We didn't finish second behind a double winner, we won division two. And Liverpool won nothing, they we're FA Cup runners-up yet that who we played. The next season is just as baffling with Man City playing Villa. Can anyone with some knowledge of this let me know why these games where played between seemingly random teams. Jimmmmmmmmm 15:02, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
The FA website lists the 1946 and 1947 games which according to this page did't happen
1946 Derby 4 Charlton 1 (aet) 1947 Charlton 1 Burnley 0
- As regards the non-winning sides contesting the shield, it appears that participation was not compulsory, and some clubs for whatever reason did not wish to contest it. The FA website says, "Prior to 1974, with the Shield a less prestigious fixture, the match was played at various club grounds and often involved teams who had won nothing at all." - I would guess the FA invited teams, on the basis that they had done something of note (eg Leicester winning Div 2). When Villa played in 1972 they had just won Div 3 with an all-time record number of points. I think it's as simple as that.
- Regarding the 1946 and 1947 games, I'll add them in. There were no league champions in 1946, as the season did not recommence until that point, so the game has a minor place in league history, marking the start of resumption of normal play after the war. There had, however been an FA Cup contested and won (by Derby) in the first half 1946. Charlton were losing finalists, which explains why they lined up against Derby for the game. —Preceding unsigned comment added by MegdalePlace (talk • contribs) 14:07, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Charity Shield
Does anyone know when the competition went from being named the "Charity Shield" to the "FA Charity Shield"? I know it was renamed as the FA Community Shield in 2002, but I'd really like to know when its name changed to reflect its endorsement by the FA. - PeeJay 09:48, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Competition status
While watching the Man. Unt. Chelsea game last Sunday, I heard the commentator saying the yellow cards were not counted for future competitions because FA Community Shield is not considered a competition. Is that true, FA Community Shield is not a competition?--ClaudioMB 14:58, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Curse?
Shouldn't it be noted that only Man Utd (1993/94,1996/97) and Chelsea (2005/06) have gone on to win the premier league after winning the shield? 89.243.24.157 16:10, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
- Sounds weird for me a curse that fail 3 times in the last 14 years (21%). Also, considering that to win both titles is not a simple task. But, if that is notable in England (lost of people know about it as a curse) and there are reliable sources of it, maybe could mention. I don't know in which section.--ClaudioMB 20:17, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
- Not sure of any reliable sources, I usually hear of it in each match report each year. Maybe it can me put in the trivia.89.241.215.57 18:09, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
- I don't think it's worth a mention. It's not a curse - it's just very difficult for any club to win the league title, and the conicidence of them having contested, and won, the Charity Shield the previous summer is just that - coincidence. It will happen from time to time, but is hardly to be expected as the norm.
- You could devise any other 'curse' - how many clubs who won the League Cup went on to win the Premiership the following season? How many clubs who lost the League Cup final went on to win the FA Cup? You can just make them up! —Preceding unsigned comment added by MegdalePlace (talk • contribs) 13:57, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Winners table
I propose that the order of the winner's table be reversed to show oldest first. Most football articles seem to follow this and I think it reads better this way. --Jameboy (talk) 19:17, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
