Talk:Félix Trinidad/Archive 1

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Moved back: "Felix Trinidad" has about 30000 more google hits than "Felix 'Tito' Trinidad". --Jiang 04:25, 13 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Cupey

I just found out that Cupey is not a municipality, it is a big community but not a municipality, therefore it won't have a page so I removed the links-Dark Dragon Flame 06:26, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Inconsistencies with article in comparison to other fighters...

...does not indicte Titos status as one of boxings "All-Time Greats" as it does with other fighters of lesser accomplishment but more exposure being americans. Goes to great lengths do disparage Tito for his negotiation strategies but does not do so for his peers ex. passing up of lucrative rematch w/ ODLH, which is unnecessary yet doesnt mention other details such ODLH refusal to reverse the purse as Tito was the victor in previous match as well as reigning champ & still undefeated. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.193.80.173 (talk) 20:04, 21 March 2007 (UTC). ...also, failed to indicate Yory Boy Campas being undefeated(55-0, 50KO)@ the time of their match as well as having one of the al time highest KO% at the time, yet indicates Oba Carr as undefeated. Does not indicate Bernard Hopkins was the naturally larger man/fighter(saying B-Hop was Titos physical equal), yet does so for ODLH article, even though Hopkins was a natural middleweight who started his career as a light heavyweight, & Tito prime was @ welterweight although very lean albeit being tall for his weight. also disparaging regarding his inability to KO Macho Camacho, even though Macho Camacho had never been KO by any fighter, even during his prime(since it says he was past his prime). Trinidad has the longest, uninterupted welterweight title reign in history & was relatively young when he captured that first title vs. Maurice Blocker. Goes to great lengths to indicate Tito opponents handpicked yet does not give credit for ambition in fighting many undefeated fighters nor highly regarded "it" fighters liek Euro KO artist Troy Waters. ex. Tito gave 1st loss(or "true" loss) to Yory Boy Campas, Oba Carr, Pernel Whitaker, Oscar DeLaHoya, David Reid, Fernando Vargas and was the first to KD & KO Ricardo Mayorga & William Joppy...Campas, Carr, Vargas, Mayorga were all beaten by ODLH after they were allready destroyed by Trinidad & considered to be shot fighters who were never the same after fighting Tito.

Did Oscar de la Hoya write this article?

Why is it that when Trinidad fights Whitaker, Whitaker is "aging" but when De La Hoya fights Whitaker or Julio Cesar Chavez, we don't need to know that they were "aging"? Bernard Hopkins was not Felix Trinidad's physical equal. Bernard Hopkins was a large middleweight and was visibly larger than Trinidad. Even Winky Wright had the size advantage over Trinidad. Felix Trinidad's "monumental" power advantage with him had nothing to do with him being larger than his opponents. Felix Trinidad actually started at junior welterweight and when he stepped up to fight Fernando Vargas, David Reid, and William Joppy, he was facing natural junior middleweights and middleweights. Felix Trinidad was the one coming up in weight and not them. Trinidad's inability to knock out Bernard Hopkins had nothing to do with him supposedly facing someone his own size for once. Trinidad was unable to hit Hopkins because Hopkins had his right hand glued to the side of his head and neutralized Tito's left hook. Very biased article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.45.4.200 (talk) 12:46, 31 March 2007 (UTC).

This article is riddled with biased undertones

I think the neutrality of this article is very debatable. This article's author describes Trinidad's opponents throughout the article as "hand picked", "blown-up junior welterweights" and "non-descript". The author also describes Trinidad's career as "buried on the undercard of pay-per-views". The De La Hoya fight, an admittedly controversial fight, was retold in a completely one sided manner favoring De La Hoya. Moreover, in the retelling of the Fernando Vargas fight, arguably one of Trinidad's most impressive victories, there are still mentions of what many would believe were inconsequential low blows, casting doubt and uncertainty on what was truly a dominant fight by Trinidad. Interestingly enough, whereas the descriptions of Trinidads dominant victories were always interspersed with criticisms or shots taken at Trinidad the Hopkins fight is described here in a one sided fashion, favoring Hopkins. This fight, a non-debatable victory by Bernard Hopkins, mentions none of the illegal elbows or shots, characteristic of Hopkins fighting style, which Hopkins took during many of the holds in the fight against Trinidad. Finally this author chooses to end this article by calling into doubt Trinidad's entire career due to illegal hand taping practices. As evidence, the author cites the trainer of one of Trinidads opponents, Bernard Hopkins, a journalistic technique that seems less than honest. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 129.133.182.79 (talk) 22:25, 2 May 2007 (UTC).

Biased!

This article is biased. Take a look at the only three references! The first comes from the trainer of a former opponent and another from an opponent who lost to Trinidad. Moreover, two come from un-credible sources with opinions clearly in opposition of Trinidad. This doesn't seem like an accurate way to represent somebody. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mroman09 (talk • contribs) 23:21, 2 May 2007 (UTC).

I did some clean up, rewritting and POV removing this week, I removed all POV I found both pro and aganist Trinidad, I hope this satisfies everybody that has been refereing to the article as biased. -凶 01:38, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

This Article Is Racially Bias

And I will have my lawyer take a look at it because it sound kind of racist —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gettoland DIO (talk • contribs) 00:53, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

How? - Caribbean~H.Q. 01:19, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
  • What do you mean by "racist"? I looked over the article and found nothing offensive to anyone of any "race" or "etnicity". Therefore, I as a person who has no peculiar interest in the subject, I am confussed about the "racist" accusation. Tony the Marine 02:57, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

A Neutral Biography?

The main author of this article just wants to make Trinidad look bad. He talks about a "controversial" win over De La Hoya and the "brass knuckles" come on!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.237.235.131 (talk • contribs) —Preceding comment was added at 01:31, 20 December 2007

I actually tried to rewrite this as neutral as possible a few months back, back then it was obviously biased from all aspects both pro and against Trinidad, but users keep adding their POV back. I would support merging the "Hand taping controversy" into the paragraph following the deatail of Hopkin's fight (as it is directly related) but seeing that this section has sparked several edit wars in the past I would like further feedback. - Caribbean~H.Q. 01:44, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
No objections? because if not I'm going to merge this into the Hopkins section (mostly to avoid WP:UNDUE in a Good Article nomination) I will keep the content but will try to balance it with a alternate version that I saw sometime ago, if no valid argument against appears in two days I will merge, the first day I will work with content and the second day the finishing format touches will be done, this is because I want to have this ready for GAC before the Roy Jones wave comes in, as no matter the result of the fight the edits will flood, and we don't need silly content disputes after the GAC version is ready. - Caribbean~H.Q. 08:21, 8 January 2008 (UTC)