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[edit] Nu Metal

I'd say nu metal can be pretty extreme. Korn and Slipknot? Titan50 (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 19:06, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

I completely disagree, I like both bands but no way in hell are they extreme, for a start they're both very commercially successful and therefore aren't "beyond the scope of the current mainstream". They also just don't sound extreme to me, it's hard to explain but they just come across as aggressive and kinda loud not super-heavy/brutal or extreme or whatever else people describe them as. 62.252.193.221 (talk) 21:57, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] So what are these artists?

What's the type of style rob zombie and the union underground are using?

Nu-metal I'd say...not very extreme
That depends, remeber that Rob Zombie is not just a band, but a name of an artist. And before he went solo, he was in White Zombie, which can be described as Industrial/Noise-Metal. And the solo carrier is kind of an a continuation to that. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 217.213.95.214 (talk) 13:20, 19 December 2006 (UTC).

[edit] Noisegrind?

I think that this section should be deleted or rewritten as Noisecore which is different from the latter in that it is less metal influenced but it's still the originating genre, like Punk Rock & Hardcore punk. It's also more well known, a lot older & a lot more influential to extreme music. Anyone disagree? Diabolical 01:36, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

noisecore is also a subgenre of hardcore dance, no happy compermise if one gets called but not the other --Monkeyatemydog (talk) 11:37, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Drone doom

"Drone doom is the slowest and most minimalistic variety of doom metal, usually built around heavily downtuned bass guitar." - Er, what? I am no expert on drone doom, but is it not usually built around the guitar, like any other doom? Neowulf 17:05, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Doom metal uses more bass usage to make a heavier sound than most metal and drone doom takes this to a further extreme. Niarch (talk) 03:33, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The genre descriptions are not written by people knowledgeable I think

1: The one about black metal: 'Extreme Tempo' is by all means not a characteristic property of black metal. That is the stereotype outsiders have of the genre. If something is black metal or not is essentially irrelevant of the tempo. You have extremely fast paced like 'Sethereal', to medium fast pace early 'Darkthrone' (what they make today is not black metal), to medium paced 'Wyrd', to slow paced 'Trist', to stuff slower than most funeral doom like 'Nortt' and also stuff like 'Darkspace' who just put it all together in songs which have extremely slow to extremely fast parts. And everyone is going to agree that it is all black metal. And I have drawn upon the entire scope of black metal from this, both popular and obscure artists. If anyone asks someone knowledgeable what the difference between black and death metal is an answer like 'If you slow death metal down you get bad doom metal but black metal stays black metal regardless of the tempo.' is likely to be returned. That's just a stereotype by an outsider written here.

2: The one about death metal: Death metal isn't really viewed as heavy per se by metal fans. It can be, but there is also a lot of death metal available with a really thin production. Note that 'heavy' in no way means an aggressive pace. It simply means an oppressive and thick production. And it is most certainly not considered the 'most heavy' one. Usually doom metal fills that qualification. Drone doom especially but there is also a lot of doom metal which can't be called heavy. But some purists accuse that of simply slowed down black metal because of the lack of heaviness.

3: Why is 'gabber' in that list? Fast or not, this genre has had some major mainstream appeal, you just have to click the link to see it. It's not very encyclopædic to have inconsistencies in your articles. I am Dutch, I was there when the whole gabber hype broke out here. That it is fast does not make it extreme in this respect as it is the quality which made it accessible.

4: Why is Thrash metal in there? If you turn on a thrash metal record at a random party people are going to like it generally.

5: Why isn't dark ambient in there? That's probably the most extreme music of all genres judging from the listener statistics on last.fm. That it isn't fast, that it has no aggression is what makes it extreme, you have very little to work with and most would find it simply too boring. Also, because of dark ambient's prominent use of discordant tones, despite that the music is extremely calm, many find it an irritating factor to have playing in a room and become stressed and annoyed by it.

6: Why isn't 20th century classical music in there? Music like The Threnody for the Victims of Hiroshima or Elend is at least more extreme than Thrash Metal and Hardcore Punk, which is already in there. If you were to play The Threnody for the Victims of Hiroshima in a room with people they are going to ask you to turn it off. I've tried this at my student society. They were so annoyed by it it got no further than ten seconds before they turned it off.

And power chords, why are they extreme? A perfect fifth is the most natural interval you can have except the octave. Niarch (talk) 03:30, 21 April 2008 (UTC)