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[edit] consensual?

Exhibitionism does not, and cannot, have any legal implications for either the exposer or the person being exposed to, because both exposer and exposed are implicitly consensual (the exposer wants to be seen, and the exposed welcomes the opportunity to look).

Perhaps I am taking this sentence out of context but it is confusing to me why there is always implicit consent. Sure there is implicit consent when one is at a strip joint, or at some kind of swingers party or such. But if one is at a football game and some guy runs out into the field naked, or if you are walking down the street and some guy opens his rain coat revealing himself, there is surely no implicit consent. Again, perhaps this sentence is referring to a certain form of Exhibitionism but I find it unclear as certainly Exhibitionism can and does have legal implications when referring to exhibitionism done in public.

[edit] Non Sexual Exhibitionism?

While certainly exhibitionism can be done for an erotic turn on, most streaking isn't done for that reason but instead for the thrill of breaking societal norms. So would being naked in public for the shock value such as in streaking still be considered exhibitionism?


[edit] Links

Hello, I guess including a link to an internet pornographic place where real ordinary people send photos of naked and sexual images (of females, and intended for males in this case) for others to see freely, would not be allowed. I find it is interesting to have a link to a real place where you can "see" sexual exhibitionism. The link I suggest is: http://proexhibitionist.com/ I don't really mind it not being allowed, I don't really know if it would be good or bad for the wikipedia and the encyclopedic knowledge form, but I would certainly like to know why could it be or not be good in your opinion and the wikipedia rules on the matter. --Pablo2garcia

The big problem with that site (which I, being cynical, will assume that you own) is that it's a paysite, and would thus violate the "no advertising" rule. 128.226.230.90 01:06, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
I don't own it, but let's say I do. It is a pay site but has two very abundant and for me satisfactory non paying sections, separeted from the rest by type of content (no "big" action), links to those parts "cuold" be used: http://hardcore-exhibitionist.com and http://exhibitionist-paradise.com . I assume the problem you point out. --Pablo2garcia
Exhibitionist Post is a completely free site that is part of a much larger sociological project on human sexuality. The project has support in the academic realm. That link had been there for a long time before with no controversy. It should be replaced. APatcher 09:04, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Male Exhibitionism

I miss any mentioning of the difference in attitude to male and female exhibitionism. Men are very likely to be prosecuted even when no aggression or harassment is involved. Some men are even subjected to some cruel form of "treatment" which is designed to reduce their libido! I am not an expert on this matter, but can someone with more information add this to the article? Hummel 05:02, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

There should be some discussion the differing attitudes with regards to male and female exhibitionism, especially with regard to how they are often treated differently under the law. Also the article should differentiate between the traditional male flasher in a trench coat who's mainly looking to shock or scare woman for his sexual pleasure vs. the exhibitionist woman who gets off on the positive reaction of men she flashes. --Cab88 09:28, 27 June 2006 (UTC)




Masturbating in front of a open window is hot.

[edit] Erect penis?

wtf is up with the picture of the erect penis? I don't think that belongs in this article.

lol, well it certainly would be an example of exhibitionism if somebody put their erect penis here! Mathmo 06:33, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
And I don't think sexism nor heterocentrism belong in this article either. I don't think the last picture was accurate because it stated that the male was flashing, but all he was doing was lifting his shirt a little. That is not exhibitionism (just read the article, it says so). Therefore I replaced it with a guy in the act of truly flashing (exhibitionism). HotDog 04:14, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

It isn't a demonstration of exhibitionism, though. It is, however, needlessly vulgar and pornographic. The "two people flashing in a bar" at least demonstrated what the article is talking about, rather than merely saying, "look, I got an erection onto Wikipedia."

If the man were flashing his penis in public, rather than merely onto Wikipedia, I might find it more acceptable. That said, the only exhibitionism in that picture was the act of putting an erection on Wikipedia, and Wikipedia is not an outlet for your exhibitionism. (And by that I don't mean "go out in public, show your penis, take a picture, and upload it;" a famous or demonstrative example is always better than a contrived one. The "bar" picture was not famous, but at least it was demonstrative.) Cherry Cotton 01:28, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Actually, the man was flashing his penis in public (it was in a car while he was driving). The "bar" picture you mentioned is misleading because it stated that the male was flashing, but all he was doing was lifting his shirt a little. That is not exhibitionism (just read the article, it says so).

However, because you were offended by an erection, I'll post two pictures that clearly demonstrate exhibitionism (while making sure they are ones that don't offend your delicate sensibilities).

--HotDog 23:27, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Could scantily clad mean exhibitionistic?

Does a proclivity toward showing a lot of cleavage and otherwise dressing like a hootchie mama count as exhibitionistism? If so a few changes are needed in this article. The following sentences sounded bogus:

Meanwhile, media events like awards shows and concerts devote considerable resources to highlighting female celebrities' revealing costumes and perceived sexual personas. In the United States, celebrities are encouraged by the media towards exhibitionism, examples being papparazi-captured celebrity nudity, or nude scenes in movies.
Sneaky papparazi-captured celebrity nudity often has nothing to do with exhibitionistism. Nude scenes in movies have nothing to do with exhibitionistism with possible exeption of porn. And a celebrity buying a $10,000 dress to preen for papparazi at the Oscars ain't exhibitionism. I deleted both sentences.

[edit] Martymachlia

I have merged the content, "Martymachlia is the paraphilia involving sexual attraction to having others watch during a sexual act", into this article, and made Martymachlia a redirect to this article. Feel free to rewrite this or do whatever else necessary with it. --Xyzzyplugh 18:59, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Exhibitionist World

Exhibitionistworld.com deleted, why? It is a free site. Girls Gone wild and wrestling, last time I checked, was NOT free to view. Please be consistant and fair with your link decisions.Please add back your deletions. A you know Exhibitionist World has been promoting the exhibitionist lifestyle before wikipedia was even registered.(Check the Whois) If you are going to promote Jerry Springer as a exhibitionist medium relevant to exhibitionism, then you have to include the most popular way used today for exhibitionists to share pictures in the web. If you truly want to say that any link for exhibitionism is not relevant take alook at the other links you leave.....none is close to being a site totally dedicated to exhibitionism. I hope you will reconsider, this not promotion, just simply fact. Exhibitionist World is a Free site known thoughout the world by exhibitionists like myself, and is worthy of recognition —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Exhibitionistworld (talk • contribs) 13 December 2006.

[edit] Uncensored Image?

Don't you think the Soccerflasher.jpg picture needs censor (or maybe remove)? I don't think that everybody, who opens the Exhibitionism page, have to see a nude man (and it shouldn't be forgotten that yjere is not an adult content protection in Wikipedia for the kids). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ahmet Keles (talk • contribs) 15:23, 11 January 2007 (UTC).

It is Wikipedia policy to not censor images or other content. That policy can be found here. That particular image realistically depicts the article's subject, and is what one would expect to see in an encyclopedia article about a "psychological need and pattern of behavior to exhibit naked parts of the body to other people". The current consensus among editors of this page seems to be to keep the image as it is in the article. Robotman1974 15:37, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
but really though, its hard to browse wikipedia when everyone thinks your looking at porn. 66.169.197.170 01:52, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Other meaning for the word "Exhibitionist"

I believe that around the 10th century, when Christianity was expanding it's boundaries and building mew churches it used a valuable tool of carving "exhibitionists" on the outside walls of it's churches. These were sex scenes of all natures which helped to pull in the crowds and get poeple to convert to christianity. I am not an historian, but saw this on a BBC documentary many years ago.

The Oxford English Dictionary refers to exhibitionism as being "any behaviour that is intended to attract attention to oneself," without any mention of nudity. Whereas a common form of exhibitionism does involve nudity, I do feel there ought to be at least some kind of acknowledgement of the fact that it need not involve nakedness.

Interesting point about 10th century use, but Oxford having no mention of nudity, that is not so. The Compact Oxford English Dictionary (online) clearly shows exhibitionism with two definitions: 1) seeking attention 2) exposing genitals

1 extravagant behaviour that is intended to attract attention to oneself.
2 (Psychiatry) a mental condition characterized by the compulsion to display one’s genitals in public.

Of note is that being an exhibitionist for a day or week is does not classify a person as having the mental condition of "exhibitionism" as defined by the [WHO] ICD-10 Version 2007. ICD-10

A recurrent or persistent tendency to expose the genitalia to strangers (usually of the opposite sex) or to people in public places, without inviting or intending closer contact. There is usually, but not invariably, sexual excitement at the time of the exposure and the act is commonly followed by masturbation.

Specifically the 2000 American Psychiatric Association link requires both of these criteria for a clinical diagnosis of 302.4 Exhibitionism:

A. Over a period of at least 6 months, recurrent, intense sexually arousing fantasies, sexual urges, or behaviors involving the exposure of one's genitals to an unsuspecting stranger.
B. The person has acted on these urges, or the sexual urges or fantasies cause marked distress or interpersonal difficulty.

I see that some work is needed to bring this article up to the same level as Voyeurism and I'll take a gander at that task.
Peace. BodyPride (talk) 02:57, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Dubious - flashing definition

The flashing definition as given on this page doesn't agree with what I'm used to. Perhaps it's a North American/Commonwealth thing but from my experience flashing and flasher is far more commonly used to refer to males who go around exposing their genitalia then females exposing their breasts. While this is perhaps not exhibitionism but simply indecent exposure, if we're going to give a definition of flashing here it's important we get it right. Try doing a search for flashing male on Google to confirm this usage is common Nil Einne 02:01, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] flasher

A google search for "flashing" brings up roofing, and of course "male flasher" would bring up what you suggest, but we're not talking about indecent exposure here, which is what "male flasher" implies anyway. When I did a google search on "flasher", this is what came up: http://www.beatlespennylane.com/Penny_Lane_Live/Flasher.jpg.

Looks to me like a girlie with a bare boob. Am I wrong? 68.173.16.81 08:13, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Modern Technology

Although when I search for scholarly studies on it -my search gets bogged down with internet porn ads -There is a new breed of exhibitionist who will expose herself (I believe that men do this too) -through a webcam to a public internet chatroom. I have personally met women who do this and seem perfectly normal in every other way. It seems that the internet has provided a "safe" outlet for this behavior. Unfortunately I am not finding anything that really mentions the internet. Astrocloud 14:29, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Implications section

I added the accuracy-section tag to this section for two reasons. First, the statement "Exhibitionism does not, and cannot, have any legal implications for either the exposer or the person being exposed to, because both exposer and exposed are implicitly consensual..." would not be true if one lived in a one of the many countries that follows strict interpretations of Islamic Sharia law such as Saudi Arabia. I fairly certain there would be harsh legal consequences in said countries regardless of whether there was mutual consent. Also, the term "Exhibitionism", as I have heard it used does not always imply consent between all parties.

Second, the statement "However, if the exposing individual shows an aggressive or criminal behavior, that is indecent exposure and is a separate phenomenon from exhibitionism and flashing." is not completely accurate either. The terms "exhibitionism" and "flashing" can define actions that qualify as a crime (i.e. indecent exposure) in many countries. The flashing of female breasts that occurs a Mardi Gras parades in New Orleans is technically a criminal act though enforcement of said laws has been lax at times. The level of criminality may very (such as misdemeanor vs felony) but that does not means it's not "indecent exposure" under the law. It seems this article is trying to make a distinction between consensual exhibitionism and flashing that may or may not always exist, depending on how the terms are used, and under what laws apply to the exhibitionist or flasher. --Cab88 (talk) 22:24, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

I saw your tag and before I read your explanation, I was noticing different inaccuracies as well. I don't have DSM-IV to compare to the Text Revision (and I'm not for certain that the author was referring to IV and not IV-TR), but either they have changed the wording or the quote and paraphrasing are not from the DSM. Yet the section in question is written in a way that might mislead one to think that they were. Also, the section begins with mention of the DSM, while not specifying the point at which the information ceases to be from the DSM.
Further, "indecent exposure" is not a mental illness classified by the DSM--rather, it is a legal term. I don't think the two (Exhibitionism and Indecent Exposure) can be compared side-by-side like that because one is a mental disorder, and the other is a legal offense. At any rate, I looked at my DSM-IV-TR (I do not have DSM-IV at hand), and this is all that section 302.4 states about exhibitionism:
"The paraphilic focus in Exhibitionism involves the exposure of one's genitals to a stranger. Sometimes the individual masturbates while exposing himself (or while fantasizing exposing himself). If the person acts on these urges, there is generally no attempt at further sexual activity with the stranger. In some cases, the individual has the sexually arousing fantasy that the observer will become sexually aroused. The onset usually occurs before age 18 years, although it can begin at a later age. Few arrests are made in the older age groups, which may suggest that the condition becomes less severe after age 40 years
Diagnostic criteria for 302.4 Exhibitionism
A. Over a period of at least 6 months, recurrent, intense sexually arousing fantasies, sexual urges, or behaviors involving the exposure of one's genitals to an unsuspecting stranger.
B. The person has acted on these sexual urges, or the sexual urges or fantasies cause marked distress or interpersonal difficulty (p. 569)."
70.59.146.117 (talk) 10:33, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Exhibitionism and Goth subculture

This sentence strikes me as somewhat odd: "Night clubs and goth bars encourage mild exhibitionism to enhance the venue's atmosphere."

I would like to have a reliable source to the alleged fact that "goth bars encourage exhibitionism". I suspect this is a false assumption by the editor (violating WP:NOR) based on the belief that Goth subculture is highly eroticized - which is true for some aspects. However, I have never heard of the active encouragement of exhibitionism in goth bars and have never made that experience myself (being a "metalhead", I have had numerous contacts with active Goths and have frequented quite a number of venues catering to Goth subculture). That is a rather gross extrapolation. Vargher (talk) 16:15, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Images and captions

While responding to a request at WP:MCQ#Exhibitionism to allow the use of the image Image:Jello biafra mooning.jpg in this article, I took a look at the other images currently used in this article, and I have to say I find the relevance of some of them, not to mention the captions applied to them, questionable to say the least. For example, this image at the top of the article, apparently depicting female UVM students attending a public "nude bike ride" event, was captioned simply "Exhibitionists"!

Right, time for a reality check here. We have an image depicting three recognizable persons in varying states of undress, apparently taken with the subjects' consent but with no indication that the subjects were asked to sign model releases or even informed of the intent to publish the image on Wikipedia. While the photographer at least argues that, by attending a public event and posing for the photograph, the subjects gave implicit permission to have their photos taken and published, attaching the label "exhibitionist" to the photo is a classic example of a use that could get one sued even if the subject had signed a standard model release. The same goes for the other photos. Presumably Jello Biafra knew what he was getting into when he mooned a hacker convention, but even he would have every right to be pissed off if we labeled him an exhibitionist without permission or any evidence of the factuality of the claims.

I've edited the image captions to make them more neutral, but I'm not sure that's enough. In fact, I'm rather surprised at how weakly related to the subject any of these images are. Since the article is about exhibitionism, one would naïvely expect to find at least one picture actually showing clearly exhibitionist behavior. At the moment, what we have instead is a bunch of photos depicting people flashing or nude in public, with little or no concrete evidence of sexual motivation, plus one illustration from Marquis de Sade showing various sexual acts but, at least without additional context, no indication of these being carried out in public. That's pretty weak. Surely, by the very nature of the thing, there shouldn't be any difficulty in finding pictures of exhibitionists, should there? —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 17:31, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

I find the picture offensive. I don't think it belongs in wikipedia and I don't think it relates to the subject, but to teen behaviour. Shlomit Lir (talk) 18:27, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

The captions seem improved, and I have to agree that the illustration from DeSade looks out of place, but the the image of the 3 women flashing certainly has erotic overtones and therefore seems appropriate. The image of the couple flashing seems only to indicate a lack of inhibitions, not actual exhibitionism, so it's inclusion is rather weak. In short, only the most "provocative" of the 3 seems to be right for this article. Since it is only very mildly provocative it doesn't even seem to justify the use of a linkimage. And as for concerns raised by Shlomit Lir, please review wikipedia is not censored censored. The standard we apply would be regarding the images' utility to the article, not their potential to offend individual editors or readers. Doc Tropics 06:13, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] cyclic definition

I don't think it's correct to define exhibitionism using the term apodysophilia as that wiki page redirects right back here: cyclic. Since apodysophilia is considered a "rarely used term" why in the world use it here. I'm not sure of what correction is due, but wanted to point it out to more savvy wiki folks. Thinking further, an old version of the apodysophilia wiki page seems better, and then change that page's link from nudism to exhibitionism. Thoughts? BodyPride (talk) 01:55, 3 May 2008 (UTC)