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[edit] SEK

Swedish krona has to be presented in this list. Sweden is obliged to join Eurozone in future. The case is that the moment of joining Sweden could define itself. No time limits are given - it may be 1, 5 or 50 years. But that will happen at one moment. And in template the date (even approximative) is not written. So SEK should be presented in this template, as no other currency in the world is obliged to join Eurozone. But SEK is. That is the difference. --Dima1 (talk) 09:08, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

"On track to be migrated" isn't the same thing as "obliged to migrate", though.

A currency may be obliged to join the euro without the government making any attempts to fullfill the criteria for joining (cf. Sweden). In that case it's not currently on track to be migrated. However, because of EU treaties, it will need to become on track to be migrated at some point in the future.

A currency may be on track to be migrated while at the same time being ineligible to be migrated. For example, the Bulgarian government seemed to make some efforts to fullfill the convergence criteria even before Bulgaria joined the EU. At some point with bad relations with Russia, the dictator of Belarus suggested that Belarus might join the EU and adopt the euro. If he was serious when saying so, then the Belarussian currency temporarily was on track to be migrated. Any currency could join in the Montenegrin/Kosovar way of joining. In that case, the currency would be on track to be migrated despite not being mentioned in any EU treaty whatsoever.

None of the references given states that SEK currently is on track to be migrated. They only state that SEK currently is obliged to join the euro at some point in the future, and that's not quite the same thing. "Some point in the future" can be delayed indefinitely, and so in reality SEK never needs to become on track to be migrated. (212.247.11.156 (talk) 19:17, 8 March 2008 (UTC))

Also note ISK. People in Iceland have suggested that ISK might join EUR unilaterally. Should ISK be mentioned in this list? (212.247.11.156 (talk) 20:08, 8 March 2008 (UTC))

Template name is Euro adoption future. So it contains all currencies that will be switched to euro. By this definition Swedish krona should be presented here because it is on track to be migrated. "Some point in future" is anyway in future. It is no difference between 1 year and 100 years. Anyway it is in future.

ISK joining EUR is just their suggestion. It has no official recognition neither from ECB nor from EU. They can suggest anything they want. But Sweden is obliged to join Eurozone. So they have no other choice. Do you understand the difference?

So I propose to restore SEK in this template. Other opinions? --Dima1 (talk) 16:53, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

> Template name is Euro adoption future.
This is irrelevant: you don't see the template name in articles displaying this template. You only see the headline ("Remaining currencies on track to be migrated"), which means a different thing.

> So it contains all currencies that will be switched to euro.
The on track to be migrated part of "Remaining currencies on track to be migrated" means that the currency issuer currently is (trying to) make some efforts on fullfilling the requirements to switch the issued currency to the euro.

> By this definition Swedish krona should be presented here because it is on track to be migrated.
The Swedish crown is currently not on track to be migrated, since the Swedish government currently isn't trying to make any efforts to adopt the euro. On the other hand, the Danish currency is currently on track to be migrated (the Danish government announced that there's going to be a referendum on the euro, so the currency will at least remain on track to be migrated until after the referendum has been held).

> "Some point in future" is anyway in future. It is no difference between 1 year and 100 years. Anyway it is in future.
Sweden has a legal obligation to adopt the euro at "some point in the future". So what? Most people have a legal obligation not to rob banks, but some still do. The fact that there is a legal obligation to do something (or not to do something) doesn't mean that everyone follows those obligations. Someone might fine you (or even put you in jail) for not following your obligations, but so what, it is still possible to resist to follow your obligations. So legal obligation to adopt at some point in the future isn't the same thing as for the moment being on track to fulfill the obligation.

> ISK joining EUR is just their suggestion. It has no official recognition neither from ECB nor from EU. They can suggest anything they want.
So what? Andorra, Montenegro and Kosovo managed to join the euro without any official recognition whatsoever from neither ECB nor EU. Any country could join in the same way. So ISK may very well be (or become) on track to be migrated without any recognition whatsoever from ECB or EU. Sure, it would probably be a very heavy burden for the Icelandic economy, but it wouldn't be impossible. As I wrote, being on track to migrate doesn't have anything to do with legal obligations to migrate.

> But Sweden is obliged to join Eurozone. So they have no other choice.
Instead of joining the eurozone, Sweden could chose to pay various fines to the EU. Or Sweden could leave the EU altogether, or try to obtain a formal opt-out. So Sweden does have other options.

> So I propose to restore SEK in this template. Other opinions?
See above.

However, if the text "Remaining currencies on track to be migrated" were to be changed into something different (say, "Remaining currencies obliged to adopt the euro"), then I wouldn't object to re-add SEK to the list of currencies. (130.237.227.61 (talk) 10:42, 4 April 2008 (UTC))