Talk:European Summer Time

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[edit] Table

Template:Europe time 2008

[edit] Removed slow templates

Pending a fix in MediaWiki, I'm removing templates such as {{before}}. They take about 20 seconds each to process. The fact that using such a large amount of CPU time is even possible is only due to a flaw in the MediaWiki, they will stop working soon. -- Tim Starling 03:54, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Math Formulas don't belong

Simply say begins in last Sunday in March and ends in last Sunday of October. Joncnunn 18:24, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Formulae will be useful for programmers
82.163.24.100 13:33, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Added fast templates

Pending permission from Tim Starling, I've added the {{Europe time 2006}} template to the talk page only. It should take much less than 20 seconds each for the {{between}} templates to process, thanks to the m:ParserFunctions Tim gave us. --Uncle Ed 14:04, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Correct EEST/EEDT change moment

According to Microsoft TzEdit utility there are different moments then Daylight time come in effect. For example (GMT+02:00) Helsinki, Kyiv, Riga, Sofia, Tallinn, Vilnius (aka FLE Daylight Time) get applied at Last Sunday of March at 3:00:00, and discarded at Last Sunday of October at 4:00:00. In contrast (GMT+02:00) Athens, Beirut, Istanbul, Minsk (aka GTB Standard Time) come in effect at Last Sunday of March at 2:00:00 and discarted at Last Sunday of October at 3:00:00. This mean that we need reliable sources to validate then DST switch occur at different countries. For example for Ukraine there is law at (Ukrainian) Parlament website. It's 3-4.

Microsoft is inadequately authoritative.
82.163.24.100 13:33, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

For Belarus there is reference to law (Russian: Постановление Кабинета Министров от 13 мая 1996 года N 317 "Об изменении порядка исчисления времени на территории Республики Беларусь") and newspaper article. It's 2-3.

This also make sence to note in article that DST changes in the past were at different time and even date for some countries. --TAG 08:45, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Paragraph agreed with. 82.163.24.100 13:33, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Various

Second paragraph, above contents box, states one period for all Europe, later contradicted. It may be true to say that in Europe there are just 3 rules, those of Iceland, the EU, and Russia, with countries not included by that following either EU or Russia.

If heading "Exact timing in the next several years" were changed to "Exact dates for several years" it would no longer be necessary to delete a year exactly at each new year. Including the previous year would, I think, be of some use. Move the times to another section, and this section would apply also to Russia.

"For today these formulae yield 0 (1 = summer time)." - not true - this year, they yield 25 and 28. Underlying meaning can be deduced, and should be written.

Change heading "Russia & Belarus", and list European countries using those rules. If the list is incomplete, no doubt people will provide additions.

Turkey, being neither ex-USSR nor entirely European (Asia Minor) is worth explicit mention; I believe it uses exact EU rules, but check.

The term "European Summer Time" should be used only to refer to what EU and Russia and Iceland do or do not do. The term "EU Summer Time" should be used where applicable.

I believe that UK law changes Summer Time at 01:00 GMT, not UTC (though UTC is used for time signals).

Probably worth including, for cross-reference, the term "DST" = "Daylight saving time", saying that the term is not used in Europe. Or not much used. That effectively provides the links in the DST page, but those of European significance should be repeated here - Franklin, Willett

82.163.24.100 13:33, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] [edit] Local observations

The page says - But in the Republic of Ireland standard time is CET (UTC+1) and the clocks are turned back for winter time.

That seems wrong. The Irish Act of 1968 fixed local time at GMT+1, all year round, with no mention of putting the clock back for Winter.

The UK and the RoI - indeed, the whole British Isles - used GMT+1 for the whole of the period Summer 1968 to Summer 1971, as I recall.

Since the Irish ceased using Dublin-based time (on 1916-10-01), local time has always been uniform across the British Isles, apart from possible distinction between UTC and GMT.

Check with an informed Irish source, and with Myers' http://www.srcf.ucam.org/~jsm28/british-time/.

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On second thoughts, while the Standard Time (Amendment) Act of 1971 reinstituted Summer and Winter time, it did not redefine Irish Standard Time to GMT.

For the avoidance of doubt, both Acts should be cited. The first Act to define Standard Time, and the second Act to turn the clocks back.

82.163.24.100 16:03, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Spring forward & fall back

Just because we're British and use the word 'autumn' in normal conversation doesn't mean we don't know what 'fall' means in the above phrase. It is perfectly suited to its usage and I suspect used widely throughout the UK as a reminder. Mannafredo (talk) 11:57, 13 May 2008 (UTC)