Talk:Europäische Freiwillige

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Contents 1 Cut from article 2 Album 2.1 Track listing 3 Tone of this article 4 Arājs, etc.

[edit] Cut from article

I've cut the following sections from the article. It's about a compilation album of songs, at least the majority being marches, from the Axis side in World War II. It may deserve an article of its own (it's hard to say, because there is no information about whether this is even a commercially released record; and compilation CDs, even if commercially released, are not necessarily notable), but I don't think a track listing belongs here merely because this term was used as its title. This all will probably involve a disambiguation page if this material is worth having at all. -- Jmabel | Talk 06:22, Apr 1, 2005 (UTC)

I agree with the disambiguation page suggestion. The article itself, I think, should focus on the history of the phenomena of non-Germans who fought for Germany (although perhaps there shold be an article titled something like Non-Germans who fought for the Third Reich or Foriegn Nationals in the German miltary during World War Two, as the current title excludes African and Asian soldiers*). The CD is commercially available [1], [2], [3]) and I think its notability lies in it being a good illustration of the multinational scope of the Europäische Freiwillige movement and the contemporary representation of that movement. I have no information about its circulation quantity, but it seems to have "been around" for at least a few years now. -- Morning star | Talk 03:37, Apr 2, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Album

Europäische Freiwillige is the title of a compilation CD featuring the songs and marches of various countries.

[edit] Track listing

1. Suomi Marssi
2. Liisa Pien
   • Finnish version of Lili Marleen.
3. Sotapojat Marssivat
4. Budstikken Gikk
5. På Vikingtog
6. Kamerat, VI Marjerer
7. Friheten Leve
8. Ledarens Marsch
9. VI Er Danske Legionærer
10. C'estla Lutte Finale
11. Vlaamserex Lied
12. Battaglini Della Morte
13. Giovinezza
14. Cara Al Sol
15. Canto A La Division Azul
16. Au Revoir, Petite Monique
17. SS Charlemagne 10.3.1944: Sturm
18. British Soldiers Song
19. Isaszegi Marsch
20. Soldatenlied Der Honved
21. Imnul Biruintii Legionare
22. Kosakenmarsch Der Ulanen Regiment Bug
23. Lied Der Estnischen Legion
24. Lied Der Estnichen Batallion
25. SS Polizei, Oslo: Deutschlandlied / Horst Wessel / Wenn Alle Untreu Werdern

[edit] Tone of this article

Although this article is just a stub, I am concerned to see an article about volunteers who served in the Nazi military that gives as references four books, that are as far as I can tell (and please correct me if I am wrong) all sympathetic to the Nazi cause. -- Jmabel | Talk 06:31, Apr 1, 2005 (UTC)

Porat and Browning removed from bibliography, as they more properly related to the topic of "other units...", and not to the main article topic, i.e. "europäische Freiwillige", per se. Estes added instead. Zalktis 14:21, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Arājs, etc.

In (German) WWII usage, the term "europäische Freiwillige" generally only refers—as the article originally formulated it—to non-German units of Nazi Germany's armed forces, i.e. the Waffen-SS and (to a more limited degree) the Wehrmacht. The term really only gains circulation after 1943, and in particularly in 1944. Thus, references to other groups, especially those local SS auxiliaries created to specifically murder Jews in the Holocaust, only clouds the issue for the reader. I've therefore decided to make this a separate topic heading. In the future, I suggest removing some of the books that are only specifically related to the Einsatzgruppen from the list of references for this article. Zalktis 08:38, 14 May 2007 (UTC)