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[edit] UK Are Idiots!
Your point of view do not conform universally with people from Mainland Europe, Scandanavia, or the US.
Please stop trying to included useless and irrelevant information in this article!
[edit] Producers
I was wondering... why do producers/project initiators need to be in the list? They can be on the bands' pages, if any... I also recommend we use the artists' stage names instead of their real names, those can also be on their personal page. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems a better choice.Byeee 16:27, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Prominent Artists
While most of the artists mentioned sertainly deserve their place in the "main" artist list, i question why some are on the list? For instance "Future Trance United", a collaboration between a lot of the other artists listed there with only one release. Also, Floorfilla, which i would consider an italodance artist, Baracuda, who is not really that prominent either, DJ Dean who as far as i know produces hard trance, and SveN-R-G who is already on the list on his more "main" alias. Artists i've never heard of includes DJ Toxic and "Caater".
I removed some of them. Hasbone 19:10, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] References
Please, find at least some reliable sources stating that this style even exists. 62.78.153.171 20:06, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
- It doesn't exist as a music style, but unfortunatelly do exist as a term. Is a fake UK term, to describe various non UK trance-like (commercial) hits. Poland and Italy also use it. In a way is like the situation with the made-up term "eurodance". In the USA they named all the eurohouse and new beat hits of the early 90s as "eurodance" and they start selling them there. UK the last decade has a problem with dance music, so they import stuff from Europe. They named various music styles as "euro-trance" and that's how the term appeared.
[edit] Who is the unsign person that reverted my contribution? (76.105.187.236)
Who is this unsign person who reverted my contribution regarding the eurotrance?
Viacom UK, owner of MTV / VH1 first used the term Euro-Trance as I described and I have a tape from back then to proove that!
So my question is: The Viacom (Europe) specials and reports broadcasted through the European variations of MTV/VH1 are "useless and irrelevant information"?
Also, called idiot by an ansign member and reverting a contribution without any discussion, is the really stupid thing.
I can easily upload a whole 30min documentary regarding this subject (the term eurotrance in this case) and prove myself. The problem is that I can't upload copyright material I don't own and in this case, "MTV News" and "MTV Dancefloor Chart" are copyright material!
So, who is that "God" that reverted my contribution? Without even a discussion? Who is the one that called me "idiot" and judge my contribution as "useless and irrelevant"?
Please someone that knows, do a revert back to the article and let's have a discussion. (Labrokratis 14:00, 29 May 2007 (UTC))
[edit] This is just bullshit..
This article is just terrible.. Markus Schulz, Deepsky, Gabriel & Dresden etc. has NOTHING to do with "euro-trance" in any way.. Euro-trance = Euro-dance, so just delete this article (or link it to "euro-dance") and list Pulsedriver, Cascada, Groove Coverage etc.. in the article about euro-dance.. to mention names like those (cascada etc.) together with the word trance is just a disgrace..
Answer: Like it or not, the term exists. My description is not far from yours:
"Euro-Trance" is a retrospective term that first used on the UK, during the spring of 2002, by UK's MTV Dance. It was used to describe all the "trance" - like European imports for the UK market, especially those recorded in Germany, Nederlands and Belgium. The term was never accepted by the rest Europeans, with the exception of Poland and parts of Italy (because of the popularity of MTV Italy).
At the same time, I, a European, don't accept the term "Eurodance". It's as fake and generic as "Eurotrance".
So, if the term "Eurodance" has a place on wikipedia, then so the term "Eurotrance". (Labrokratis 11:00, 30 May 2007 (UTC))
[edit] Both Eurodance and Eurotrance terms, are retrospective made up terms!
As a European, I can't agree on this description: "Euro-Trance is a hybrid of Eurodance and Hard Trance music incorporating hardstyle bass drums and trance elements"
It is silly from many parameters: I'll try to analyse it:
1 - What is that "Euro Trance" term? I never heard of British Trance, American Trance, Australian Trance. So, why "Euro Trance"? Why a so "generic" name? What that represents?
I explain that later.
2 - "hybrid of Eurodance and Hard Trance": First of all, why you have it for granted that the term "Eurodance" exists and everybody knows about it? Because they have marketed this term in the U.S.A.? We, the Europeans, never used this term to describe one music style. Only recently we start using it to describe the overall existance of European Dance Music the last 40 years...
Example of the european use of the term: "What is this kind of music? It is Eurodance (European Dance music). It is called Euro - House.
For the Americans, "Eurodance" was/is the term to describe the early 90s Eurohouse and New Beat imports years later, in the mid 90s, to the USA markets, in a form of compilation CDs. It's a made up term, a fake term.
Personally I can testify the first use of term "eurodance", back in the late 1988. From what I recall, MTV Europe back in 1988, aired "Braun European top 20". VJ Christiana Backer use to be the presenter. The show also aired on MTV US at the time. They use to broadcast charts from all over Europe. Beyond that, they had "rock charts", "dance charts", "pop charts". Christiana Backer frequently said: "Let's see now the eurodance charts". The title of the charts was: "European Dance Charts". Why she said "Eurodance"? Probably because at the time, in the UK, there was also a music style called "Eurobeat". It was the SWA productions, marketed as Hi-NRG in USA. Eurobeat was british and it was dance. So the rest commercial dance productions at the time, was "eurodance". So, what the Americans say and stand for the term "Eurodance" is simply only their side of the story. And every time a European tries to add their point of view regarding the term "eurodance", an american pops up and say something like "you are an idiot" and revert the article.
Regarding "Hard Trance", yeap that exists as a term. But it is a GENERAL term again. Also, "Euro Trance" is not a dark music style. Hard Trance has a Dark Side. So, how it is possible "Euro Trance" to be a crossover of what the Americans describe as "Eurodance" and "Hard Trance"? If you know about those music styles, you lough with such "descriptions"!
3 "incorporating hardstyle bass drums and trance elements"
Say what????? "Hardstyle"? "Bass Drums"? Those are generic terms, used to describe music elements present on many music styles! The wide term of "Euro Trance" include hits with such elements, but also other elements like melody and vocals! So, the description is not correct without adding those elements!
ANYWAY: THE POINT IS THAT:
Both terms (Eurodance / Eurotrance) are fake and made up. Regarding the "term" EUROTRANCE, I can testify that MTV UK/IRE used it back in 2002 to describe all the commercial "trance-like" non UK hits , that imported on UK back then.
They made up a "TOP 100 of EUROTRANCE TRACKS". That "countdown" had plenty progressive trance/house, uplifting trance/house, vocal trance, epic trance, even pumping house hits.
Since that was the first and ONLY official use of this term, and some people since then use it, we have to point it out here in Wikipedia.org
Like it or not, this is the situation with this term.
"Euro-trance" is a made up term by VIACOM UK, to market the - non UK produced- european imports of the commercial trance-like hits on the UK. The source of those hits and videos? MTV2POP (a german channel), TMF Nederland and VIVA germany. All those channels became related with Viacom UK at the time.
There is a "legend", very popular among the Viacom UK stuffers: When TMF UK appeared on the UK market, they used the German MTV2POP graphics, titles, etc. Accidently, the full playlist of ODC40 from MTV2POP end up on TMF UK as well. ODC40 was a very popular dance countdown show on the German MTV2POP channel at the time. MTV UK, decided to make MTV DANCE a 24Hour channel, but they didn't have current material to broadcast. People hated to see R'N'B' and Rap on MTV Dance. So, they used the playlist of ODC40 plus some trance like hits that had some success or even appearance on the British market, and they made up the "Top 100 of eurotrance" which became VERY popular and broadcasted at leat 10 times the next year! That is how groups like Milk Inc, Ian Van Dahl, Lasgo, Paffendorf, Brooklyn Bounce and Kernkraft 400 became part of "Euro Trance".
Like it or not, the term exists. If you have a better description of the term than mine, then post it.
Eurotrance is a TERM not a music style. The same we can say for Eurodance
[edit] Hands Up
hi !
i just wanted to say that in germany the style "Euro trance" doesnt exist ! that style of music is called "Hands Up" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.177.34.126 (talk) 15:54, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
(Labrokratis 10:49, 30 May 2007 (UTC))
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[edit] Needs attention
Alright, this article needs a lot of attention from an expert, as there is too much of a mixup, especially between the european genres of trance (epic trance, prog trance, etc) and the european genres of dance ("hands up", i.e most of the artists under notable artists).
anyone add the tag? I don't know the code for it —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.27.234.9 (talk) 21:33, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Progressive Trance
There's a kind of contradiction in that Progressive Trance can be considered a Euro-Trance genre...but clearly has no relation with the Euro-Trance described in this article. In fact....pretty much all prominent Trance genre's (except maybe hard or Psy) can be thought of as Euro-Trance since they were all developed in Europe. Shinpah1 (talk) 22:30, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Genre or Term
Okay, this article now describes euro-trance as a marketing term made up by the British media. Not a music genre. So why does it still have an Artist category? IF this isn't a genre, I say we really need to remove that section and just mention examples of artists considered euro-trance (that section already exists). Or do some people still believe this is a real genre of music? Bootini (talk) 22:44, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Edited Heavily
For a start, Prog. Trance cannot, I repeat, cannot be classified alongside Euro-Trance/Dance. A lot of Europeans may argue that this genre was simply made up, could be true, but the fact is that it is a recognised genre by many dance radio stations now. It is generally accepted as the cheesy, vocal commercial dance and I'd say it has very little to do with the original trance sound these days. Also, why was Scouse House linked as Bouncy Techno? Both genres are totally different to each other. It makes you wonder if the people that actually wrote these pages know what they are talking about!? I was horrified to find Markus Schulz linked here as Euro-Trance!!
