Talk:Eugen Dühring

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Seems very similar to the text in the link to Marxists.org in the article. Is one copying another? This should be clarified, since the text as it stands raises suspicions of plagarism.

Additionally, Eigen Dühring was by no means a capitalist. He was socialist, but anti-marxist, which explains the violent hatred of marxists against him until today.

Marxists.org is available under the GNU Free Documentation License as long as the source is mentioned there is no problem!!!!! --145.94.41.95 17:11, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

- In any case the Karl Eugen Dühring article is much better and more thorough. And indeed Dühring was a supporter of socialism (or in any case thought he was), that's a major bloop in the Eugen Dühring article.

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From the article, Dühring was a supporter of capitalism who attacked capitalism, and a heroic materialist who strawmanned materialism in favor of idealism. Or something like that. It's not absolutely impossible that all these could be true statements by some reading, but they're at the very least confusing. --Trovatore 04:30, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

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Removed the contradictory stuff - that's as far as I can go, since nothing by the man is available in English.

A merger with the other entry would be a good idea. --GwydionM 22:47, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Such a good idea I went and did it myself!

Logically the other page should be turned into a redirect to here. But I'll leave it a few weeks in case anyone else wants to do some editing or correcting.

I toned down the criticism - personally I think Engels was pretty much right in denouncing him, but this is a reference work.

--GwydionM 23:05, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Why did you copy it here? I would think the merged article should be at Karl Eugen Dühring, assuming that's his correct full name, so it would have made more sense to copy anything relevant from this article to that one. Or is "Eugen" the forename he used more often? (It looks like a surname to me.) --Trovatore 23:24, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

This source has more links. Also it needed a rewrite anyway. The other is left intact for cross-checking. --GwydionM 17:47, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

The links could be copied to the other page. The correct determinant is not the current state of either article, but rather which is the better name. Is "Eugen" a forename or a surname? What name did he publish under? --Trovatore 17:53, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Google has 15,000 hits for "Eugen Dühring", just 462 for "Karl Eugen Dühring". It's how he's known to English-speakers.--GwydionM 18:41, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Expansion

There's probably more that could be said. What was his influence in the 20th century? Has he been republished in German? Does he still have any followers?--GwydionM 17:47, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Need a source

We need a source for "vindication of Carey" statement and for the Friedrich List connection. --Northmeister 03:55, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

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