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[edit] Welcome!

Hello Ethicoaestheticist! Welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. If you decide that you need help, check out Getting Help below, ask me on my talk page, or place {{helpme}} on your talk page and ask your question there. Please remember to sign your name on talk pages by clicking or using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. Finally, please do your best to always fill in the edit summary field. Below are some useful links to facilitate your involvement. Happy editing! Tyrenius 00:46, 20 February 2007 (UTC) Getting started Wikipedia tutorial • The five pillars of Wikipedia How to: edit a page • upload an image Getting help Frequently asked questions Where to ask questions or make comments Request administrator attention Policies and guidelines Neutral point of view • Reliable sources Verifiability • Citing sources • No original research What Wikipedia is not • Biographies of living persons Manual of Style • Three-revert rule • Sock puppetry Copyrights • Fair use • Image use policy External links • Spam • Vandalism Deletion policy • Conflict of interest • Notability The community Building consensus • Resolving disputes Assume good faith • Civility • Etiquette No personal attacks • No legal threats Community Portal • Village pump Signpost • IRC channels • Mailing lists Things to do Be bold in editing • Help develop an article Pages needing attention • Peer review Join a WikiProject • Translating articles Cleaning up: General • Spam • Vandalism Miscellaneous Categories • Disambiguity • Stubs User pages • Talk pages Useful templates • Tools • User scripts

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[edit] Postmodernism

I have no idea if it's the 1970s, the 1980s, or the 1990s. I find the notion of "postmodern art" to be basically gibberish. Bus stop 16:33, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Some argue that modern art ends with minimalism in the 1960s. The 1970s is a less controversial cut-off date referred to in the article on modern art. The article on modernism ends in 1945. Any date between the end of WWII and the 1970s will have its adherents. The statement that modern art ends in the 1990s runs counter to the normal assumptions and would need to be supported with a reference. --Ethicoaestheticist 16:52, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

The 1970s is fine with me. The article on Postmodern art is noncommittal about this. Bus stop 16:58, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Images

Thanks for your note, I admit that I'm at a loss concerning completely the rationale concerning WP:NONFREE, and adding the necessary information to the copyright pages, I'll need to try to understand. By the way - I was pleased by the Ferus Gallery article. Modernist 21:42, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Thanks for taking on the onerous task of filling in the fair-use rationales for all those Western painting images.--Ethicoaestheticist 23:13, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

My ummmmmm pleasure :), as a cut-and-paste goddess it's the least I can do. --sparkit^TALK 23:19, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your help on Western painting. Modernist 10:47, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Orphaned fair use image (Image:Cinema1 Deleuze.gif)

Thanks for uploading Image:Cinema1 Deleuze.gif. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, the image is currently orphaned, meaning that it is not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable under fair use (see our fair use policy).

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The image on Cinema 1: The Movement Image was replaced by Image:Cinema1 deleuze french.jpg. This one can now be deleted.--Ethicoaestheticist 17:23, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ferus Gallery

The image was deleted because the copyright was from the Smithsonian and they deleted every image on Wikipedia with a Smithsonian copyright, because the Smithsonian copyright template was deleted. I don't really know why, but all images with that copyright tag suddenly were images hung out to dry. Modernist 14:26, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

That explains it. Thanks. --Ethicoaestheticist 14:32, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Barnstar

		The Special Barnstar
		Thanks for helping with the InfoArt cleanup project. Tyrenius 21:48, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Huma Bhabha

She's categorized a Parsi and is on the List of Parsis. Given that "Parsi" is an old term for "Zoroastrian", and the Category:Parsis is a subcat of Category:Zoroastrians, it seemed reasonable to add the Zoroastrian tag. I acknowledge that many of the Parsis today may be more ethnically than religiously "Parsi", but the connection seems kind of obvious. I don't think that the project is at all likely to try to "take over" the content of the article with religious-based information, although if we find such info in reliable sources there's a good chance it'll be included while not giving that info undue weight within the article. Also, it's being added to the Wikipedia:WikiProject Zoroastrianism/Articles list, which will allow the members to check it for recent changes, like vandalism and other nonproductive changes, etc. However, you probably could remove it, if you saw fit to, and it might not be noticed by anyone other than me, and I don't think I'd be likely to replace it. John Carter 16:34, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the full response. No reason why she can't be a sculptor and a parsi!--Ethicoaestheticist 17:01, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

I did a bit of Google-based research. The content of her work is vehemently anti-religious, and without evidence that she self-identifies herself as Parsi or Zoroastrian I'm removing the cat and tag. But, as you say, the article is pretty insignificant, with no links to it, so it's unlikely that anyone cares one way or the other!--Ethicoaestheticist 22:43, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

No problem, then, and thanks for the work. I would only note that if in time it does become clear that she is of Parsi descent (however that's determined) then that category could probably be returned. John Carter 22:45, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Homework

Bbik, re:[1]. Perhaps a new article should be created: Homework help with The Rime of the Ancient Mariner. Don't worry, I'm only joking.--Ethicoaestheticist 22:51, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Ha! :D Or maybe Pre-written papers analyzing The Rime of the Ancient Mariner. Though, to have only a few people asking in three years, that's not too bad. -Bbik^★ 00:30, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Kosovo: country debate

Hello. There's a discussion going on Talk:List of countries as to whether or not Kosovo should be included in that list. You have an interest in Serbia-related articles and I thought you might be interested. The articles List of countries and Annex to the list of countries (where the inclusion criteria reside) are both relevant. Cheers. DSuser 14:53, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Carissa Proffit

Sorry, I've not found hard-copy published mention of her name, probably because it has been in South Island newspapers, which I rarely see. I'll have a detailed search if I can. Robin Patterson 00:56, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Elizabeth Murray (artist)

You were hasty. You wrote, "the askart website does not list where her work is held". That is incorrect. Please be more careful. If you go to http://www.askart.com/AskART/M/elizabeth_heaphy_murray/elizabeth_heaphy_murray.aspx?searchtype=SUMMARY&artist=33650, you will find that there is a link, plain as day, called "museums". Now, to help the unobservant, I could list that page as a separate link. Actually, I have done that for articles in the past, anticipating just this problem. And you know what happened? Another officious deletionist deleted the "redundant link". Maybe you should be more careful before you delete things, or even consider erring in future on the side of inclusion? MdArtLover 00:13, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

No mistake. The page does not have a link to museums. (The word 'museums' appears at the top left, but it isn't a link - at least for me - perhaps it's available to subscribers?). The link to 'quick facts' lists The Stuart Collection and UBS-Paine Webber Collection.[2] --Ethicoaestheticist 08:31, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

That's weird. Are you sure? I'm not a subscriber, but when I click on that, I get this: http://www.askart.com/AskART/artists/search/Search_Grid.aspx?searchtype=MUSEUMS&artist=33650 MdArtLover 11:16, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Just checked the page again and now the museums link is there. I like to avoid getting into arguments with other editors, so I'm glad this has been sorted out. Apologies.--Ethicoaestheticist 11:52, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Michael Fried

Aha, a Deeluzian too. Just noticed you in the history of the Michael Fried page, and wondered whether you might be able to flesh out his absorption / theatricality thing? I was hoping to reference it in some Brecht articles. Thanks, DionysosProteus 07:27, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Vandal

Ty I appreciate that. Modernist 01:01, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Karsten Schubert

That's fine - I wasn't sure where to put it after re-directing the gallery article to the person. Thanks! ELIMINATORJR 08:34, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Alcopely

Hi Ethico, For what its worth, he was a known albeit slightly known Abstract expressionist active in the heyday of the New York School. He's mentioned in the major De Kooning biography by Mark Stevens and Annalyn Swann and he's also included in New York School Abstract Expressionists Artists Choice by Artists,] (New York School Press, 2000.) ISBN 0-9677994-0-6 and American Abstract Expressionism of the 1950s An Illustrated Survey,] (New York School Press, 2003.) ISBN 0-9677994-1-4. I don't feel comfortable editing much this weekend though. Perhaps you might work on that article a little, I don't think it should be deleted. Thanks - Modernist 00:09, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your fine work. I've been wondering for years about - how anybody could actually be named L. Alcopley, now it makes sense - Alfred L. Copley. Well done. Modernist 20:24, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Steve McQueen

Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you did to Talk:Steve McQueen. Your edits appear to constitute vandalism and have been reverted. If you fail to do so you may be Expelled from Wikipedia! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.48.56.35 (talk) 13:31, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Lol. Needless to say, I've never made any edits to Talk:Steve McQueen. I have recently removed, from the other Steve McQueen article, the claim that the artist starred in The Great Escape.--Ethicoaestheticist 13:50, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wally Hedrick

Thank you for your interest and contribution to the Wally Hedrick page. It is greatly appreciated.

I am now trying to gather the post-1970's data collected on Wally. Therefore:

If you don't mind, may I ask you one question? You placed a citation tag on a commonly known Bay Area fact: "Catherine Conlin was introduced to Wally Hedrick by a blind-date arranged LG Williams." My question is this, if you would like a citation, how would I go about doing that if it is common knowledge, but as yet not officially documented?

Thank you for your assistance! --Art4em 02:16, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Question regarding The Treachery of Images

Why was this edit performed? I am only curious. Dreamy ^§ 20:26, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Indeed. I saw your comment on his page. Dreamy ^§ 20:39, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Reply

Hi Ethicoaestheticist Thank you for your advice. If you have the time please read my Salmon1 as well as my two replies to Tyrenius's E-mails and the reply to Anastrophe, the person that I cannot track. Wikipedia is a tough place because very few people (if at all) keep to some personal reliability. I made an early mistake and used my name instead of an assumed one. I am a good sport and I enjoy proving to myself that as long as I make a conscientious effort to be reliable the truth will always be on my side and I will be protected. I believe that the good always wins and the bad ultimately loses. I do the fight of life in my way. I believe in service in order to give thanks for my fortune. It is OK that people like me can be attacked in the most unimaginable way. Everything is learning and I love to learn. I will test your advice for watchlist and if you allow me I will report on it. Thank you for your caring words. Sincerely Yours, (Salmon1 23:06, 7 November 2007 (UTC))

I shall follow your advice and pay attention what happens to my User talk:page but ultimately I am with Wikipedia in order to do a service for people who cannot afford to find free reliable material for they research projects. I just finished Anne Ryan. I wonder what you think of it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Salmon1 (talk • contribs) 23:58, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

I just looked at your talk page and I saw that you got some advice from "Modernist." I would like to add that Alcopley was not included in the book American Abstract Expressionism of the 1950s An Illustrated Survey, (New York School Press, 2003.) ISBN 0-9677994-1-4.

The article is short but very informative and I would like to congretulate you for it. Importance is very relative. Style is timely but art is timeless. Best regards, Sincerely Yours, (Salmon1 00:30, 8 November 2007 (UTC))

[edit] Reply

Thanks for the reply to User:Salmon1. I'd read her question but hadn't had the time to really focus on it. Your answer was pretty much what I (hopefully) would have said. This also might be my first time on your talk page too...I may need to check the history however. Cheers. freshacconcispeaktome 00:53, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Turner winners ref section

Ta! I didn't spot that... Tyrenius (talk) 23:15, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Max Kahn

Hi. While I appreciate the effort you have put into referencing the article, what I really need to see is references that cite the parts of the article that make him notable. The part that would make him notable is his exhibits in the major art museums. If you could source those facts, then I would be happy to accept the individual as notable. Cheers, CP 03:44, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Sources for museum collections added, most notable being the National Gallery of Canada.--Ethicoaestheticist (talk) 20:26, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Wow, one would have been good enough, but nice job!

Cheers, CP 01:20, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you

Thanks for reverting the vandalism to my user page. And for your good work here in general. Cheers, JNW (talk) 02:03, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Rollback

Hello Ethicoaestheticist, I have granted rollback rights to your account. The reason for this is that, after a review of some of your contributions, I can trust you to use rollback correctly by using it for its intended use of reverting vandalism: I do not believe you will abuse it by reverting good-faith edits or to revert-war. For information on rollback, see Wikipedia:New admin school/Rollback and Wikipedia:Rollback feature. If you do not want rollback, just let me know, and I'll remove it. Good luck. Tyrenius (talk) 20:58, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Adriano Bulla

Hello, I find it at least curious that you want to delete the article on this poet on the basis of the fact that 'you do not know him'. I do not find it acceptable also that youb discredit the sources (The Guardian, Greatworks and UK Poetry Live) online, especially as one is a record of a prestigious UK newspaper, the second is a famous poettry website. It is also plainly NOT TRUE that Bulla has published 'a couple of articles', while everybody can find his poetry on sale all over the world and in famous bookshops like Blackwell.—Preceding unsigned comment added by TonyBrit (TonyBrit • contribs) 11:30, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Adriano Bulla for my reasons for nominating the article. Please contribute to the discussion there. Thanks,--Ethicoaestheticist (talk) 18:08, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

I thought I should draw your attention to Flicker poem and Poetic echo. Tyrenius (talk) 04:16, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Cuban artists

Hello, Ethicoaestheticist ... your cleanups to articles listed in Category:Cuban contemporary artists are commendable, but what these articles really need is reliable sources to verify meeting the WP:BIO criteria ... please see Category talk:Cuban contemporary artists#Continuing deletions, and perhaps you would like to add your name to the list of editors on this fledgling project ... Happy Editing! —72.75.72.63 (talk · contribs) 03:22, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] "Cuban artists" checklist

OK, none of these editors

• ArleArt (talk · contribs)
• Callelinea (talk · contribs)
• Dr Gangrene (talk · contribs)
• EdJohnston (talk · contribs)
• Ethicoaestheticist (talk · contribs)
• MBisanz (talk · contribs)
• Pharmboy (talk · contribs)

have contributed to this "Cuban artists" checklist (although there have been limited dialogs on some talk pages) ... some of them either initiated or declined PRODs, and I have asked them politely to record their actions on the checklist (like renaming/merging articles) … I mean, declining a seconded PROD without even an edit summary? What's up with that?

Well, I'm sick of playing Sisyphus and cleaning up after them, so I have deleted these articles from my watchlist, and Some Other Editor can maintain/update it … or not.

In any event, it is time for me to MOVE ON. :-)

Happy Editing! — 72.75.72.63 (talk · contribs) _{03:50, 8 February 2008 (UTC)}

[edit] {{Oldprodfull}}

Hello, Ethicoaestheticist ... please see this talk page and tell me what you think of my newly created Template:Oldprodfull ... would you use it, or update it if you encountered it?

Also, what are your thoughts on my proposed WP:FLAG-BIO protocol?

Happy Editing! — 72.75.72.63 (talk · contribs) _{14:49, 11 February 2008 (UTC)}

[edit] Thanks

Thanks my friend for the encouraging welcome message in my Talk page. Contemplating21 (talk) 22:53, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Massurrealism

Patrolling the Surrealism article for rubbish and nonsense, I came across a link for this article. I find its existence troubling, as, it seems, do you. As best as I can tell from the "references" provided therein, there has been no coverage of this "artistic movement" in any reliable third-party art magazines---I have never heard of any of those listed in the article. I am also troubled by the fact that the article has been edited by at least one person---Alan King---involved in Massurrealism, and perhaps more than one, considering the number of anonymous users who have made edits. It is interesting and astonishing, and perhaps quite telling, that the article has existed for three years and yet is still in a very sorry state. Do you have any suggestions as to the manner with which we should approach this---an AfD, perhaps? ---RepublicanJacobite_{The'FortyFive'} 04:28, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] AfD nomination of Massurrealism

An article that you have been involved in editing, Massurrealism, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Massurrealism. Thank you.-RepublicanJacobite_{The'FortyFive'} 19:23, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kimathi_Donkor

Please either improve this article, remove the 'notablity' notice that you added to it or else, delete it immediately. The artist in question did not request or intentionally cause this article to be created. Although the artist does not, in principle, object to the existence of the entry, he does consider that, due to the high profile of wikipedia entries, its current form is detrimental to his professional reputation. X7342 (talk) 08:29, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

I've added this comment to Talk:Kimathi Donkor.--Ethicoaestheticist (talk) 11:54, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] It could go either way...

Your edit on Goudji wasn't vandalism, but I personally thought it was better before... you can change it back though, for you probably know more about the topic than I do. Sorry. Ehccheehcche (talk) 14:44, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Great! sorry for the inconvenience and tell me if I can help. Ehccheehcche (talk) 14:51, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks for the info

Thanks for the tip about Art news on here. I'd like to add to those articles. Once I wrap up with the Brian Sherwin bio I want to do bios for other art critics, writers, and interviewers. I'd also like to do some articles on Art Chicago, The Bridge Art Fair, and other art fairs of note. If you are interested I will let you know when I start them. (Roodhouse1 (talk) 20:17, 11 May 2008 (UTC))

[edit] Speedy deletion of Colter Jacobsen

A tag has been placed on Colter Jacobsen requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about a person or group of people, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is notable: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not indicate the subject's importance or significance may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable, as well as our subject-specific notability guideline for biographies.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Lastly, please note that if the article does get deleted, you can contact one of these admins to request that a copy be emailed to you. ninety:one 12:47, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] IP

Hi Ethico, I sent the ip a warning:[3] about WP:3RR and NPA and suggested the ip start a separate article about the Sherman film, I noticed that you said the same. I'd appreciate it you'd keep on eye on the article, I am as well. Thanks Modernist (talk) 16:30, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] you may want to chime in at

Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#"Unrealiable prodders". --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 16:10, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for bringing this to my attention. It looks like things have been sorted out now.--Ethicoaestheticist (talk) 17:38, 2 June 2008 (UTC)