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Contents 1 A note on Eskaya controversies 2 Eskayan script images 3 Eskayan info box 4 Outraged historical linguist 5 Phoenician script 6 WP:peerreview 7 Indigenous Auxiliary Languages

[edit] A note on Eskaya controversies

Hello all, If you are new to Eskayology please be aware that study of the Eskaya and the Eskayan language is controversial. For many of the statements made in this article on Eskayan there are alternative and frequently contradictory points of view. I urge any of you who have strong feelings about any particular matter to investigate whether the theory/opinion/counter-theory in question has been expressed before, the circumstances in which it was expressed and the research on which it depends.
I have made every effort to make sure that statements in this article are backed up by reliable data but there will inevitably be errors and I welcome all corrections and fruitful collaborations. What I don't welcome are cut-and-paste jobs from google searches, and references to spurious sites. This is not research – please be considerate of the effort that others have made! I have attempted to catalogue all Eskaya source materials (of varying quality) between 1980 and 1993, listing all claims and counterclaims. This document will be made available shortly and hopefully it will allow you to do a quick check before hitting the edit button.
Cheers, Perezkelly 01:34, 6 January 2007 (UTC)Perez

[edit] Eskayan script images

I have temporarily removed the Eskayan script images taken from Hector Santos' bibingka site. This was done for two reasons:
1. A citable source for these images cannot be established. They are part of a report on the Eskaya made by Jes Peralta some time in the late 1980s or early 1990s. The report is missing from both the National Museum archives in Manila and the National Commission on Indigenous Peoples. If anyone has a xerox of it somewhere please let me know!
2. Authorities in the Eskaya community have not granted permission for these symbols to be published on bibingka (or elsewhere). Getting permission is a fairly straightforward process but it is time-consuming. I am in the process of seeking permission at the moment.
Thanks, Perezkelly 01:44, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Eskayan info box

Hi there, the Eskayan info box looks great but unfortunately it doesn't work
- There is not yet any available information on the number of speakers. My own personal estimation is less than fifty but this is not an official figure.
-While Eskayan is a speech variety of Cebuano it cannot be classed as Cebuano via Austronesian, Malayo-polynesian, Meso Philippine etc. This is partly because according to conventional methodologies the genetics of a language are framed primarily through lexical comparison, not grammatical comparison. These classifications emerged from the discipline of historical linguistics which is about finding out the origins of languages. Eskayan most likely emerged in situ for a specific purpose and derived its structure but not vocab from Cebuano. It's a complicated state of affairs. Suffice to say, the Eskayan is like Frankenstein's monster: It has no parents and its various parts were intentionally stitched together from other places.
I suggest you take it down before an outraged historical linguist (like Dalubwika) does it for you!
Thanks for the thought though! Perezkelly

copied from User_talk:23prootie

[edit] Outraged historical linguist

Just to clarify, this comment above ("outraged historical linguist") was not intended literally but rather as a compliment to Dalubwika and to historical linguists generally. I am not a historical linguist myself so I can't claim to be outraged by wrong-footed classifications. In earnest, Perezkelly 12:13, 26 February 2007 (UTC)Perez

[edit] Phoenician script

I am unconvinced that the Phoenician script has elements based on the human anatomy. If someone can verify this I will revert it. Perezkelly 01:01, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WP:peerreview

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[edit] Indigenous Auxiliary Languages

Can anyone help me identify more indigenous auxiliary languages (other than Damin)? Or even better, an analysis of the typology of auxiliary languages? I think this would provide relevant linguistic-anthropological context for the Eskayan situation. Perezkelly 00:56, 22 June 2007 (UTC)