Talk:Esalen Institute

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Articles for deletion This article was nominated for deletion on 14 November 2007. The result of the discussion was keep through withdrawn nomination.

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[edit] Inside view

I have spent time at Esalen, and this page needs major, major work. It should be a much longer, more thorough article. I wonder if someone at Esalen can do a draft? --Brw12 16:48, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

Certainly more information would be welcome. However, keep in mind that Wikipedia attempts to adhere to a neutral point of view (NPOV). If edits are made which make unsubstantiated claims or attempt to cast Esalen in a light which is not purely factual, expect other editors to voice concern and/or edit down the article until it adheres to NPOV standards.
Good luck, and happy editing! -Harmil 18:00, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

Edits made via Esalen User:david.price

[edit] Delete or rewrite?

The entire contents of this article have been lifted, verbatim, from http://www.esalen.org/artsfestival05/ArtsFestFacts.pdf and http://www.orgonomictherapy.com/reichian-workshops.htm. The article needs to be either completely rewritten or deleted. As it is, it doesn't adhere to NPOV. I lack the knowledge of Esalen to write a better article, but I lean a bit toward inclusion in Wikipedia, so I'd rather not delete it. I'll wait a few days or a week to see if anyone decides to rewrite it. If they don't, I'll nominate it for deletion (it's probably high time I learned how to do that, anyway). —CKA3KA (Skazka) 16:41, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

I added the Complete Rewrite template. —CKA3KA (Skazka) 16:55, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
Quite a bit has been added—principally, I think, by Goethean—since I posted my last comment, but little, if anything has been removed or rewritten. The article is still largely lifted from other web sites and reads like a promotional brochure rather than an encyclopedia article.
Hats off to you, Goethean, for taking this in hand as far as you have. As I said before, I tend slightly toward being an inclusionist so I'd prefer to see the article improved rather than deleted, even though I'm not sure, just from reading the article, that the Esalen Institute is any more notable than any other high-end spiritual retreat. However, I lack the knowledge to rewrite the article myself, and, as it is, it just doesn't seem to me to be encyclopedic.
Since I'm relatively new at this, I'm going to see if I can get any second opinions from other Wikipedians before I take any steps toward recomending the article for deletion. —CKA3KA (Skazka) 21:16, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the compliment. Esalen is definitely notable -- here's a book about it published by Indiana U Press and written by Jeffrey Kripal. I don't have much knowledge about it to contribute. It wouldn't bother me if this article was reduced to a stub and started over. — goethean ॐ 21:26, 3 May 2006 (UTC)


Rewrite attempted. All verifiable - though some aspects are, of course, subjective. I'll try to add photos later. User:david.price

This sounds very much like an advertisement for esalen. All the sources and quotations are connected esalen . Does not meet NPOV at all.

Trillian

Not quite all, anymore, but the article still does need a rewrite. There can be no serious question of deleting it for the subject is relevant. I have just added a major contemporary evaluation.

(I am also removed a less relevant and very POV praragraph about a psychiatry conference. DGG 06:04, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

It didn't read like an advertisement to me, although it is written with affection. Except for the "Current" section, which is very (and disapprovingly) POV. It makes the earlier, more affectionate sections look like nostalgia. Deaconse 08:37, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia IS Esalen

I am startled that anyone would propose to delete Esalen from Wikipedia. There wouldn't be a Wikipedia if, decades earlier, there hadn't been an Esalen. The whole proposition that gifted amateurs might have something to teach a profession gone rigid is Esalen. The very mood and tone of Wikipedia is Esalen. Profhum (talk) 09:04, 20 December 2007 (UTC) 09:50, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Official name of springs

The article claims, "the official name was “Big Sur Hot Springs” though it was more generally referred to as “Slate’s Hot Springs”." I have seen a United States Geological Survey map pair of California, from around 1960. It says "Slate's Hot Springs." So I think this was reversed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.175.225.22 (talk) 15:40, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

True, it shows up on maps both ways. I changed to official "business" name as the business name was "Big Sur Hot Springs" from the 1950s until it took on the Esalen name. I have period photos of the roadside sign. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.4.52.136 (talk) 07:38, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Matthew Fox

There is a "Matthew Fox" listed as a Past Teacher at Esalen. When the name is clicked, it leads to a disambiguation page. While my guess is that the Fox in question is the priest listed (and not the "Lost" actor), I lack the complete confidence I'd need to make the change. Can anyone resolve this permanently?

Hannibal V Constantine (talk) 21:30, 16 May 2008 (UTC)