Talk:Erzurum Province
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"Armenians dominated the area"!!!! Come on! There is no census figure that shows Armenians as majority in any part of the Ottoman Empire prior to 1915, not even before 1890. And you know what, the heads of the census bureau were all Armenians during that period. Distorting the truth to call the massacres genocide is not enough surely that you resort to outright lying to make it more dramatic, somehow! The truth is Armenians were a large minority in Eastern Anatolia, including in cities like Sivas and Erzurum, and in western cities like Istanbul and Izmir, but at nowhere within today's Turkey they were the majority before 1915. I don't expect you to be objective and write an article about a city as it should be, but at least I expect you to not lie.
Reply: You are raving and contradicting yourself. You say "There is no census figures" on the one hand, then insist that Armenians were actually a miniority. If there are no census figures, then how can you be so certain? Hmmm? Oh, of course there ARE census figures but they were all pumped up ahead of time by Armenians anticipating the genocide. Oh sure.....
The facts are against you. Anatolia was the Armenian homeland for 3000 years and the pupulation was substantial. This is well documented. Turkey had to work rather hard to wipe it out. The signs of their effort, their ethnic cleansing, are still there.
- Every historical source I have consulted-- and this includes Turkish sources-- points to a substantial Armenian historical presence. As you correctly point out, Turkish efforts to erdicate all traces of Armenian history in the region have also been substantial, and wouldn't make any sense if there wasn't something to hide. We are talking about people who were indigenous to this area after all, so this is not an astonishing revelation. The Armenian refugee population as well (circa 1915, well documented) was massive-- gee, where do you think they all came from?
I have a question, where is the kavaf district of Erzerum located?
someone needs to set up a disambiguation thing and an article for the city of erzerum. is there an article for that? Mightier than the sword 01:03, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Province and city
It looks dubious that the articles refers to "Erzurum" as it was the name of the province. The "province of Erzurum" should be more accurate.--Attilios 13:49, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
