Talk:Ernst Kaltenbrunner

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1 The scar
2 Smoking
3 His wife and Mistress
4 Knight's Cross of the Iron Cross

[edit] The scar

Any information about the scar on his face? Fencing injury or something like that? -- 199.33.32.40 00:22, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

A car accident.

"Officially", his scars are from his dueling days in school. In reality, it's been said it was drunk driving. Ladycplum (talk) 02:58, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Smoking

Is there any proof that Kaltenbrunner used to smoke 80-100 cigarettes a day? I mean I have never seen a photo of him smoking (if someone saw one, please give me a link) and I dont think it is possible for any man to smoke such an amount of cigarettes, even for such a big and strong guy as Kaltenbrunner. Besides, we should consider the fact that 70 years ago there were hardly any good filters and harm to health was much greater than now.

I think there's a pic of him smoking in his cell in Nuremberg, it's in one of the zillion or so books on the subject. I have heard of five pack a day smokers in this day and age, wo who knows if the # was exagerrated or not? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.244.30.181 (talk) 23:38, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

I think the first mention of "80-100 cigarettes a day" was made in the Shellenberg Memoirs; Shellenberg hated Kaltenbrunner and could have lied and exagerrated in order to drag Kaltenbrunner through the mire. Let's imagine he really smoked some 90 cigarettes a day: 90*4 minutes(time needed to smoke each one)=6 hours! It means he smoked one cigarette, waited 5 minutes, then started to smoke the next one. Seems ridiculous to me. Had he started to smoke 90 cigarettes a day, he would have died during the next two or three years. IMHO. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.77.101.0 (talk) 19:00, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

That's just an exaggeration. He merely smoked a pack or so...about 20 cigarettes a day. 72.229.48.178 (talk) 03:57, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] His wife and Mistress

I heard Ernst was married to Elisabeth eder who was born Oct.20th 1908 and married on Jan.14th 1934.She became member of NS frauenschaft # 301,490.The couple also had 3 kids.The oldest was a son born on Feb.28th 1935 the middle was a girl born on July.25th 1937 the youngest who was a boy was born in 1940.In the end of the war Kaltenbrunner had a misstress named Gissela von Westrap(nee wolf) she bore him two kids twins.When they found his house they saw him get hugged and kissed him they knew they found him.his kids are alive still.

by:~katie~ —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.188.164.84 (talk) 01:08, 6 May 2007 (UTC).

Has anyone ever seen pics of his kids? I'd be interested to see if they inherited his height! Ladycplum (talk) 23:40, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Knight's Cross of the Iron Cross

The article states that Ernst Kaltenbrunner was a recipient of the Knight's Cross. However he is not listed in Fellgiebell, thus we can safely assume that he never received the Knight's Cross.MisterBee1966 18:58, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

From the Trial Proceedings, Volume 4, Page 291: [1]

LT. COMDR. HARRIS: Kaltenbrunner carried out the responsibilities as Chief of the Security Police and SD to the satisfaction of Himmler and Hitler, for on 9 December 1944, according to the Fsefehlsblatt of the Security Police and SD, Number 51, Page 361, our Document 2770-PS, he received, as Chief of the Security Police and SD, the decoration known as the Knight's Cross of the War Merit with Crossed Swords, one of the highest military decorations. By that time Kaltenbrunner had been promoted to the high rank of SS Obergruppenfuehrer and General of the Police.

It might be that this statement is wrong, but if so the error should noted and sourced in the article Fornadan (t) 16:36, 10 February 2008 (UTC)