Talk:Erich Traub

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Contents 1 Controversy 2 Cleanup request 3 References 4 Censorship of Facts-- Indymedia article by Amanda Field 5 Problematic nomination for deletion

[edit] Controversy

Those who do not learn from history are condemned to repeat it.

By definition, there is very little that is neutral about a former Nazi, especially one who is known to have engaged in bioweapons research with an emphasis on organisms that attack the brain, but I am anxious to hear why some in the Wiki community do not want this well documented historical information about Dr. Traub to appear here. Those who wish to dispute a connection between Plum Island, tick research and borrelia need to provide hard facts that ticks were NOT used as vectors on the island, and/or that safety conditions were in fact documented to be adequate. Statements from several Plum Island employees clearly show that ticks were used in weapons research on the island. Photographs of garbage dumps on the island show clearly unsanitary conditions, reminiscent of recent conditions at the Walter Reed Army Medical facility. Records show that Dr. Traub visited Plum on at least three different occasions and that he was offered the directorship of the facility at least once. Freyfaxi 03:17, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cleanup request

I came upon this article by chance and am not authoratative on the subject. It appears to be controversial. It has been nominated for deletion, but that itself would appear to be controversial (see comment above from User:Freyfaxi which predates the deletion tag). The nomination for deletion was made by an anonymous user and not completed properly - the link to the discussion goes to an aparrently unrelated page and there appears to be no discussion for the page itself. As I am not otherwise involved I am not attempting to resolve all this, but I have flagged it up as needing doing. Ros0709 06:21, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] References

Hi. I have added references. I invite anyone who disputes this page to cite definitive evidence that Dr. Traub did NOT visit the island at least three times times, as well as providing proof that tick nurseries were NOT kept on the island. This information is an important part of world war two research. Please do not delete this page. Thank you, 69.120.212.35 04:26, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Censorship of Facts-- Indymedia article by Amanda Field

Censorship of Facts re Biosafety, Erich Traub and Lyme Disease Amanda Field 11 May 2007 07:26 GMT

Shortly after WWII, the US government invited Erich Traub, Hitler's top bioweapons expert, to head activities at the shadowy Plum Island Animal Desease Center in Long Island , NY. Serious breaches in biosafety at Plum Island, a clandestine military installation posing as a civilian lab, allowed the escape of foot-and-mouth virus, and may have resulted in the Lyme disease epidemic, and even the release of West Nile fever. When author Michael Carroll tried to illuminate these issues, the full weight of the establishment came down to silence him. Now anyone seeking to raise them on the internet finds themselves subject to harassment and censorship, even at sites like Wikipedia, where right-wingers and government operatives are working to delete all mention of these topics.

When author Michael Carroll his well-researched book "Lab 257" (ISBN 0-06-001141-6) implicating the "civilian" animal diseases lab at Plum Island, Long Island, NY in biowarfare research and serious breaches of biosafety, the establishment immediately went to work to demolish his reputation. Carroll provided evidence linking the lab with the Lyme Disease epidemic, an escape of foot-and-mouth virus, and even West Nile fever. He further revealed that the US had hired Hitler's top bioweapons expert, Dr Erich Traub, and invited him to head the lab. Anyone raising these issues is subjected to orchestrated libel, smears and intimidation in an effort to keep the issues under wraps. The latest battleground is Wikipedia. What should have been the one area where these facts could be posted freely has turned into a battleground in which followers of Rush Limbaugh and anonymous medical personnel are using Wikipedia's editing software to rub out all mention of Erich Traub, the military history of Lyme disease, and related topics. They have tabled both articles for deletion, see: See

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Lyme_disease_military_history 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erich_Traub

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.120.212.35 (talk) 04:38, 14 May 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Problematic nomination for deletion

OK, this confused me at first, but it seems that a new, unregistered user, User:72.89.114.124, copied an AfD tag onto this page from the page Lyme disease military history, thus making it appear that this page (Erich Traub) had been nominated for deletion when, in fact, no discussion page was created (the tag linked to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lyme disease military history). Putting aside issues of POV and verifiability which may need to be addressed on this page, it does seem to be a legitimate topic, and it certainly should not be deleted without a proper discussion. I think the removal of the AfD tag from this page was appropriate, and should not be considered vandalism. -Rustavo^{Talk/Contribs} 16:36, 14 May 2007 (UTC)