Talk:Eric Joyce

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More information about this article... The following comments have been left for this page: I find this entry deplorable. Some of the facts here are simply and unpardonably, inaccurate, while the tone itself is entirely derisive. I have neither re-written nor edited the piece, for even where I could, I find the whole article too specious to merit revision. It needs complete re-write - and I do hope that this is acknowledged and recitified by whoever it is who is responsible for such absolutely as soon as possible, for, from my point of view, this calls into question not only the veracity, but the very integrity of the entire encyclopedia. signed, DSP (edit)

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This page needs a photo Matthewfelgate 00:20, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] POV tag

This article is pretty much a hatchet-job. Lots of criticisms, not much balance. He may be a nasty charecter, but this article makes me suspect that it has been written or heavily edited by his oponents. I have taken a few bits out while copyediting, but do not know enough about him to rectify this article. Anyone else? Ground Zero | t 21:47, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

I agree wholeheartedly with Ground Zero Furthermore, some of the facts here are simply and unpardonably, inaccurate - casting doubt on both the veracity and integrity of Wikipedia. For example, the mention of Rose Mckenna rejecting EJ is utterly wrong . She in fact rejected someone else. And that is only for starters. On the point made above by Ground Zero, i would also have to agree. I find no place whasoever in any biography with even a shred of integrity for the derisory tone adopted by the writer/s of this article. I have not re-written nor edited the piece, for even where I could, I find the whole article too specious to merit revision. It needs complete re-write - and I do hope that this is acknowledged and recitified by whoever it is who is responsible for such absolutely as soon as possible, for, from my point of view, this calls into question the intergrity of the entire encyclopedia. signed, DSP —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.56.102.104 (talk • contribs) 14:03, 3 October 2006

Dont be so ridiculous DSP. You are overreacting and being far too dramatic. "brings into question the integrity of the entire encyclopedia" - what an overreaction. I have watched this article evolve over a number of years and it is not greatly different now from what it was when it was first written, perhaps you should read into the history of the article before you make completely spurious and ridiculous comments. The article simply states what a lot of his constituents feel, and know. it seems to me that all allegations made in this article are backed up and referenced. i would suggest that DSP is either Mr Joyce himself or a close friend/supporter. well wake up and smell the coffee my friend, this man is a rotten MP and this well founded, well written and completely truthful article simply highlights the fact. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.64.34.212 (talk • contribs) 00:02, 24 October 2006.

I have no political opinions either way, but this article is thoroughly POV in tone. It is not the purpose of an encyclopaedia article to "highlight" the perceived "feelings" of constituents. --YFB ¿ 01:06, 24 October 2006 (UTC)\\

I have just commented out several mentions of Joyce's expenses claims (one will do), and several unsourced critical paragraphs: see diff]. Whilst those criticisms may be accurate, they don't belong here unless sourced, and even if sourced they shoud be included only as part of a balanced assessment. Stashing up referenced criticisms without attempting to provide a balanced assessment of his career is just a hatchet job, as others have said. --BrownHairedGirl ^{(talk) • (contribs)} 22:29, 26 October 2006 (UTC) Interesting point to note in his career, whilst Mr Joyce likes to revel in a 'hard' infantry background and being 'of the men', once commissioned he was a military educator - in other words a teacher.

One interesting aside on Eric is that he is at this moment in time the only Labour MP who has seen adult military service in any capacity. In any event his commissioned soldiering was hardly sharp end and he is a marginal figure. I am not arguing for a millitary junta but perhaps if HM Government contained a few who had seen service they might have been a bit wiser and more sparing in their use of military power.

Most of the information about Eric's expenses is out of date. Since Eric's expenses for 2005-06 were publicised, he stated that he was going to endeavour to reduce his travel costs and this was publicised on the BBC. Furthermore as his majority has steadily increased at every General Election since his election at a closely fought byelection in December 2000, it would be fair to say that he has considerable level of support amongst the voters who have repeatedly chosen him as their representative at Westminster. A quick glance at his interventions in debates, and subjects raised in adjournment debates also shows that Eric uses every opportunity to raise the profile of the falkirk Economy and services that are aimed to improved the lives of his constituents as well as being the Chair of the most active all Party Parliamentary group, which serves to throw more light on the areas of Africa that fell victim to genocide in the mid 1990s. All in all a hard working MP who works very long hours to represent his constituency and to contribute to national and international issues to which he can relate his prior work and other experiences.Susanco (talk) 11:38, 27 February 2008 (UTC)