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Dep. Garcia ( Talk | Help Desk | Complaints ) 11:39, 4 January 2007 (UTC)


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[edit] Myths

I think that it is a widely held (and probably incorrect) belief that asking "Are you a cop?" is protection from entrapment, I feel like the article should address this. Timan123 16:12, 16 October 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Where in the law is entrapment? =

What legal authority (US Constitution; US Supreme Court; Federal Law; state-level authorities?) makes entrapment a crime?

[edit] =============

I'm not sure what the correct form is for pointing out an inconsistency, but in the article for abscam it says the conviction of richard kelly was overturned in 1982 thanks to an entrapment defense.

But in entrapment the statement "the defense of entrapment was unsuccessful in the Abscam operation in which several members of the United States Congress were convicted of accepting bribes." says that entrapment was unsuccessful in all cases.

I don't know which is correct. I'm cross posting this to the abscam talk page.

[edit] What is the source of the prohibition against entrapment?

This article should tell why entrapment is illegal. Is it in the Constitution, a Supreme Court decision, other case law, or what? (That's what I came here to find out!!)

In the UK it is generally case law. For most matters the decision as to the acceptability of evidence is for the Court to make.

[edit] Eh?

Could someone please explain how the myths about police officers have to do with entrapment?

this relates to the idea that you can avoid being entrapped by asking the purchaser if they are an enforcement/police officer.

[edit] Insularity

This article seems to assume that it is discussing the law in some parts of the North American continent. It should be rewritten to provide a less insular context. Which countries other than the USA and Canada have laws of entrapment (for or against)? Also, why is entrapment against the law in some countries? This is not intuitive.

I had already added some material with regard to the UK situation. I did once see an article which referred to the situation in various countries/legislatures. My recollection is that it said that the US regime had the strictest controls and even there these did not apply if there was evidence of similar activity in the past. i will try to post it if I find it.

[edit] Murder They Wrote

Going solely off the page the link goes to, it's unclear what it has to do with entrapment or what it has to do with anything. I'm removing it unless someone can make some sense of it or put it in some semblance of context. 68.166.64.72 20:53, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Ahh, I see now. The page confused me. Is it possible to link directly to the article? 68.166.64.72 20:56, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Worldview

I added the worldview template since I agree with the anonymous comment above. I'm in the process of finding out about entrapment in the EU&Germany, I'll add anything that surfaces. Please help if you can. --Duagloth 10:56, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Original research

I removed the OR claim, as I can't find any evidence of it in the article, except perhaps the uncited information about canada- but I believe 'verification needed' is more appropriate in this case. --Duagloth 12:19, 18 March 2007 (UTC)


[edit] The U.S. section is a complete mess

Several months back I spent a great deal of time under the auspices of WP:SCOTUS improving Jacobson v. United States, the U.S. Supreme Court's most recent decision on entrapment, and then created articles on its other four (Sorrells, Sherman, Russell and Hampton. You can get a much clearer picture of how entrapment works from those articles than this one, which shouldn't be the case.

Yes, it was recognized by the courts as implied by statute. Looking at the Jacobson article, I see that my summary of U.S. federal entrapment jurisprudence there is probably an excellent start to completely replace what's over here, which reads like it was written by someone who got all their knowledge from TV and the movies. Will do. Daniel Case 02:18, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] We still need a history

Looking back over this, it needs a history of how the concept was developed. It strikes me that most of the countries described in this began recognizing entrapment only in the late 19th or early 20th century ... it must have been a new concept.

That would make sense given that modern police forces only got started in the 19th century, and it was probably a short time later that undercover operations began (only in the years after the Civil War did the U.S. Supreme Court rule that they were constitutional). So we need a history of the concept to go with all the by-country examples. Daniel Case 18:14, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Entrapment definition severely narrowing in the states

Maybe someone can add this to the article. [1] Imagine Reason (talk) 04:22, 21 March 2008 (UTC)