Talk:Enguerrand VII, Lord of Coucy

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[edit] Destruction of the estate

According to Barabara W Tuchmanns book A Distant Mirror the Coucy castle was not accidentally destroyed by a German artillery shell. It was very deliberately destroyed with 28 tons of explosives and blown apart at general Ludendorff's order apparently for no other reason than to spite price Rupprecht of Bavaria who had asked Ludendorff to ensure that the castle was not damaged. All this is from the last page of Barbara W Tuchmann's book A Distant Mirror. I'm editing the text to reflect this. -Sensemaker

I would exercise caution in using Tuchmanns book as a source. She may be right, but in the medieval academic world, Distant Mirror is generally given little credibility. -- Stbalbach 19:24, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Well I suspected that much, Stbalbach, but the article used Tuchmann extensively already in the description of the Coucy estate and I couldn't find another source. So I thought "if were going to use Tuchmann, lets at least use her correctly". -Sensemaker

[edit] Change of category

I wonder about the inclusion of the Lords of Coucy in the category "Lords of France", as the region was distinct from France early in its history and, while later subject to French allegiance, was perceived as the independent equivalent of a senior English Baron, with sole power over the lands and people of the region and the ability to raise an independent armed force. WBardwin 04:50, 23 October 2007 (UTC)