Talk:English monarchs family tree

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[edit] The Little Princes

Is it strictly appropriate with a big smile under the Princes in the Tower? Eixo 13:17, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

WELL, IS IT?! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 195.144.131.12 (talk • contribs) .

It is if you're Richard III

Surely you don't still subscribe to the Tudor slander that Dicky 3 slew the little princes? Hasn't that rumour been killed yet?!--King Hildebrand 11:50, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
These image are great, but {{familytree}} would allow them to be wikified... -- ALoan (Talk) 17:14, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mistakes ?

The dates for Geoffrey II (son of Henry II and Eleanor of Aquitaine) are wrong - they're the same as the dates for Geoffry, Count of Anjou, and impossible for Geoffrey II (as written, the tree has him born when his father is 1 year old, and dying nearly 30 years before his marriage). --DrGaellon 06:43, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Something is missing...

Would it be possible for someone to add in a family tree of the Anglo-Saxons, the kings that created England (Englaland)? Deaþe gecweald 11:36, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

This has now been rectified (see House of Wessex family tree). 86.155.20.79 (talk) 14:59, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] British or English?

This page purports to be English monarchs, as opposed to British monarchs, listed elswhere. But the first two of the three plates are headed British monarchs family tree. I wouldn't object if it were not for the very ostentatious way the separation between the two categories is made. Let's have some consistency, shall we? --King Hildebrand 11:46, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Printing Genealogies

Is there some way I can print these genealogies? Even when I select the printable version the bottom say 1/8 of each box gets truncated - like Edward I and Edward II are missing. I tried copy/pasting into Appleworks painting and an image editor I downloaded, LiveQuartz, and even Preview, but I can't get a REALLY printable version. Any help appreciated. Sorry to use this space for this technical issue - I'll take it off in a few days. It's such a great thing for a student of English history of the Wars of the Roses era to have at hand. Thanks. Ken M Quirici 15:28, 9 February 2008 (UTC). kquirici@yahoo.com

  • It took me awhile to figure how to print the full family trees. This is how I do it. First, click on the " i " in the bottom right hand corner of the tree you want to print. When you get there, click on "Full Resolution" underneath the image. Then, save image to your computer or external storage. And lastly, print from there. Lugnut215 (talk) 17:47, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] More Mistakes ?

John of Gaunt didn't actually get married to Katherine Swynford--he had a liaision with her, so it's supposed to be dashes, not a long line. Amd with Catherine of Valois, Princess of France, there is no proof that she got married to Owen Tudor or not, so you can put a huge question mark there. Iman S1995 00:17, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

  • According to Alison Weir's Wars of the Roses Richard II legitimatized the union and all offspring - first by a papal bull (Boniface XI), royal letters patent, a royal edit, Act of Parliament, and a ceremony under a 'care cloth'. This seems pretty official. I assume legitimatizing is retroactive. The reference to the Ballantine paperback of Alison Weir's Wars of the Roses copyright 1995 is page 33. ISBN 0-345-40433-5 Ken M Quirici
  • Also from the Alison Weir book cited above, but now p.24 - Edmund, the second son of Henry III, Earl of Leicester (also Lancaster) was nicknamed 'Crouchback'. I think that should be added, but I didn't have any idea how to. Ken M Quirici 15:59, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Yet again - I don't know about the rest of the tree, but the children of Edward III are not in order of birth - this is crucial to understanding the causes of the Wars of the Roses. Any genealogy, especially a genealogy where primogeniture is an issue, should show the children in order of birth. The chart shows the birthdates of the children of Edward III, but putting them in that order makes things much easier to understand. Ken M Quirici 16:21, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
    • And another thing which is vital to understanding the Wars of the Roses, which is missed out: Edward IV and the other Yorkists were twice descended from Edward III (via both Lionel of Antwerp and Edmund of Langley). Edmund was Edward III's second son (Lancastrian patriach John of Gaunt was Edward III's third son), explaining why the Yorkists claimed seniority. Therefore both descents must be shown (as they are here: Descent of Elizabeth II from William I#Family tree). And children should be put in order (this is not the case in just about every generation with a substantial number of siblings), because the order of siblings is always vital to successional disputes. Sorry to moan- the trees are in many other respects brilliant. BartBassist (talk) 15:21, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Another small quibble: I don't think that King John was ever known as John I. I believe that according to convention, if a regnal name has only been used once it doesn't require an ordinal (c.f. King Stephen and Queen Victoria). BartBassist (talk) 15:21, 25 May 2008 (UTC)