Talk:Engagement

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Hello. I cleaned this bit up and added some things. I think it's still kind of messy but I tried my best. The first one I've done. I found there was a lot of different ideas about the history and wasn't sure how to incorporate it all so I provided a link.

i added the engagment party section.

I have had trouble finding all this info in one source and so decided to add it to Wiki. Please keep the presents sections as when they happen no one knows what to get!

Contents 1 Legal nature? 2 Other meanings for engagement 3 Breach of Promise 4 vein that leads to the heart? 5 Calling friends and family?

[edit] Legal nature?

Can anyone find out about the legal bases of engagement? In Germany and Switzerland, at least, there are laws that regulate it in more or less detail -- how is that in English-speaking countries?

I also understand that in most European countries, the engagement ring is worn on the 4th finger of the right hand, to distinguish it from a wedding ring. Comments? JREL 14:49, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

That's interesting. Does anyone know if it's illegal to propose engagement if under the marriagable age (as long as the actual marriage occurs after the passing of age required by law)? --Concordia 00:48, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

I am by no means a lawyer but i am an ethical person and i would hope that it would be illegal to propose at an age that is not appropriate. I hope I'm not to much of an old timer, mind you I'm not that old , i just got married myself at age 30 and my boy friend and i looked into finding a beautiful diamond engagement ring we found you really needed to know about the 4 C's when choosing a diamond. We did research and we found Excellent Diamond Cutters. I personally believe fiance should be of legal marriageable age and i would recommend going together to choose the engagement ring based on my excellent experience. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.81.16.102 (talk) 15:42, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Other meanings for engagement

Should there be an extra link to an article at the top about engagement in the military sense? 59.167.138.207 10:59, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

If there is an appropriate article to link to, a disambiguation link would be fine. Which article are you thinking of? ACW 16:08, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Breach of Promise

My information on that is straight from the main article - I mainly know of it through Trial by Jury and various other pieces by Gilbert that mention it, like Engaged (play) and The Mountebanks (opera), not from a legal view. Adam Cuerden ^talk 07:52, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

I went to the breach of promise article in the hope of adding sources but unfortunately that's unsourced too! It's a great addition to the engagement article. Brings home the economic and contractual arrangement engagements and marriages used to be for some. --Siobhan Hansa 20:31, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Hmm. Well, is citing Gilbert's Hamlet Parody in The Mountebanks:

Ophelia to her sex was a disgrace

Who nobody could feel compassion for:

Ophelia should have gone to Ely place

To consult an eminent solicitor

When such promises as these

Makes a suitor, rich and regal

Substantial damages

Is the panacea legal:

From the jury, Sons of Adam,

Though as stony as MacAdam

Maid or Madam

She'd have had 'im

Would Ophelia!

-Ophelia was a dainty little maid, Verse 2.

Useful? And sadly enough, I did that from memory. Adam Cuerden ^talk 01:21, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] vein that leads to the heart?

All veins lead to the heart. --froth^T 22:53, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

I think the point is that it was the Roman belief, not that it's actually factual. --Aervanath 22:58, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

If one's time to be committed or to commit comes, he or she would LOVE a one-vein-leading-to-the-heart story and really wouldn't care that all veins actually lead to the heart. I'm sure everybody knows that and I'm sure HE (or she) knows better than anyone that his (or her) heart "leads" only to one particular person..... (even if that's not an actual fact) --Stylherc 14:23, 21 August 2007 (UTC)Iraklis

[edit] Calling friends and family?

I would not disagree with the portion of the article that states that it is common in the US to call friends and family after a proposal has been accepted, but is it really "traditional"? I'm just curious how much sociological evidence supports this versus some author's personal experience within his or her own family and friends as well as with cinematic depictions cmac 07:19, 28 June 2007 (UTC)