Talk:EM-2 rifle

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[edit] SA80

One nitpick about the article is that the IW/SA80 family has nothing in common with the EM2 other than being a gas-operated bullpup design. The IW/SA80 is essentially a modified AR18 (which caused some understandable irritation with the Sterling company who actually had a licence to manufacture a version of the latter) which is a design using Stoner's rotating multi-lugged bolt with a hammer-actuated firing system in a pressed-metal body (as a cheaper alternative to the AR15's cast body) whereas the EM2 used a flap-locking mechanism and a directly sprung firing-pin and overall required a considerable amount of traditional machining to produce. There's a common misconception that the EM2 and the IW/SA80 shared essentially the same design but that is sadly not the case: it is my POV (and hence not suitable for entry in the main article!) that if there were a commonality of design, the IW/SA80 would've had a much happier history.

Anyway, the point is that the article should clarify that the IW/SA80 family is categorically not a development of the EM2.

I assume that nobody objects, so I've now changed the article to reflect this. Chris 12:38, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Copyvio ?

Either this article has been copied to another site or vice-versa. Perhaps some evidence as to where this information came from would be helpful.

Here is the site where the exact same text appears as is in the article. Copied From?

This site is a mirror of Wikipedia. "This article is licensed under the GNU Free Documentation License. It uses material from the Wikipedia article "Assault rifle"." at the bottom of the page. Rama 06:57, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

When I get a chance I'll write a proper article based on the definitive book on the EM-1 and the EM-2 Rifles by the late Canadian firearms author Thomas Dugelby. He wrote the book back in 1980 when most of the original designers were still alive - the book is a pure, rare masterpiece. Makes one question why the FN-FAL and 7.62 round were adopted. Harlsbottom 21:50, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New Article

For those interested in this subject, I am beginning a new article at User:Harlsbottom/EM2. Thus far an introduction and updated box have been completed. This is going to be a lengthy article going the whole hog, and to prevent any mistakes everyone is welcome to comment, though not edit. Please comment in my User_talk:Harlsbottom. -Harlsbottom 18:18, 14 July 2006 (UTC)