Talk:Elgin, Moray
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note that Elgin is not generally considered a city (except possibly by its inhabitants). But it is
thatll be news to the football team then Elgin CITY!!! football club as the SFA officially knows them. just looked at the scottish tourist information site - "city of Elgin" it calls it.
as for someone wanting a source on large chunks of the population being shipped off to canada, just google for the highland clearances. elgin castle WAS demolished after the 1745 jacobite rebellion, i never said it was used before then. just because it was derelict that didnt mean it wasnt partially defensible and a threat.
are you saying a large chunk of the population of elgin was shipped off to canada as part of the clearances or is your definition of local area less specific. I havent found any references to forcible deportations from elgin on google or elsewhere and would love to find out a bit more. do these online sources you point us at have backup or are they just quoting each other.
yeah, check out about the duke of gordon, there's a statue to him, but he was a big fan in deporting people from his land. that said, elgin wasnt ravaged by the highland clearances after the jacobite rebellion had been forgotten. deportations took place in the immediate period afterwards.jacobite political sympathisers WERE arrested en masse in both elgin and inverness. many were hung, and the rest... well plenty were sent to the colonies. you will find multiple sources referring to the road between elgin and inverness (now the a96) and what happened along there.
Well, that wasn't what was asked for. Elgin was not affected by the Highland Clearances. There may have been jacobites arrested there after the 45 - but that happened all over Scotland, and even in England. The clearances were an early 19th C phenomenon, affecting areas where sheep were introduced to replace crofting - which certainly did not happen in or around Elgin. The population of Moray did start to fall in the late 19th C - in common with rural areas throughout Britain and Ireland.
Morayshire and Moray council area cover greatly different areas; I think that both categories are appropriate. 80.255 01:43, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
The county name, to its current inhabitants at least is Morayshire with Elginshire being something of an anachronism and this should probably be reflected in text.
[edit] Notable citizens section bloat
The Notable citizens section of the article is IMO getting over-big and is way to dense to be comfortable reading. Can I recommend the following changes be made / principles folloed:
- If they're notable enough to be listed, they're notable to have their own article. Several articles could be spawned from the present text.
- Provide single line descriptions only; two sentences at maxiumum. The Archbishop is the current archbishop of Glasgow. We do not need the full life history here: there's a separate article on the man if we want the whole nine yards.
The article is abot Elgin. 25% of the text of the article is dedicated to descriptions of people, not Elgin. The people should be described within their own articles, not here.
I may come back & implement the above, but thought I'd put it up for discussion first. --Tagishsimon (talk) 02:53, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
- Hello Simon, agree entirely. Considering its the least important section in the article (IMO), its getting a bit silly. The last three entries are people who have no connection with Elgin apart from being related to one entry. I'll do a cull, cheers. --Bill Reid | Talk 08:08, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
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- I'd urge for even more concision, given that in most cases there's a full article for the person. So the first few entries might be:
- Archbishop Mario Joseph Conti, born 20 March 1934 in Elgin, is the current Archbishop of Glasgow, in Scotland.
- Steven John Pressley, born 11 October 1973 in Elgin is a Scottish international footballer currently playing for Celtic in the Scottish Premier League.
- General Andrew Anderson (1747 – 1824) Major General in the army of the Honourable East India Company, benefactor of the town.
- Dr Alexander Gray (d 1807), surgeon for the East India Company. His will was contested by his family, but eventually his bequest of £26,000 'for the establishment of a hospital in the town of Elgin for the sick and poor of the county of Murray (Moray)' was proven in the Court of Chancery, and work on building the hospital took place between 1815 and 1818. The hospital opened on 1 January 1819.
- Lt William Rennie, (1822 – 1887) 90th Perthshire Light Infantry, awarded Victoria Cross at Lucknow during Indian Mutiny, 1857
Also I'd urge that names are not emboldened, fullstop. --Tagishsimon (talk)
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- Go on, then. I don't own it. --Bill Reid | Talk 11:16, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
- I'm consulting...;) --Tagishsimon (talk)
- Go on, then. I don't own it. --Bill Reid | Talk 11:16, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Pronunciation
How do you pronounce the name of this city? Is the g hard as in goat or soft as in gem? -Rrius (talk) 03:10, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
