Talk:Eduard, Prince of Anhalt

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[edit] BRD, ha!

I'd actually like to see the discuss part. Charles 23:16, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

You've just started it. - dwc lr (talk) 23:25, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Oh by the way your supposed say why you think the change should be made, hence bold (you), revert (me), discuss? I'm still waiting for you to do this part, so I'll put the article back if your not interested and hopefully it won't turn into another silly revert war. - dwc lr (talk) 09:48, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Current wording

What exactly is wrong with the current wording Princess Julia Katharina (b. December 14, 1980, Bad Tolz), styled Hereditary Princess on her father's website?

It seems to me that this is accurate. JK is styled Hereditary Princess on her father's website. I am not aware of any other source which gives her this title (e.g. GHdA, Allemagne Dynastique, new AdG). She certainly would not be Hereditary Princess according to the traditional house laws.

Please try not to include personal comments about other editors in your response. Just state clearly what you believe and back it up with some evidence from the published record. Noel S McFerran (talk) 10:02, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

That implies there is some dispute about it and unless it can be supported with sources that wording is inappropriate. - dwc lr (talk) 10:06, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

It's not so much that there is a dispute (as you say, there are no sources which say this is disputed). It's rather that there is only this one single source for the information which is contrary to the house laws. Wikipedia is very careful about using information about people which comes directly from those people. If I set up a website and say that my son is "Prince of Carleton" and there are no other sources to verify or support that, then Wikipedia is cautious in accepting the contention on my website.

Would given the style Hereditary Princess by her father (with a footnote to the website) be just as accurate and not imply any dispute? Noel S McFerran (talk) 11:03, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

I see at the Princess Margarita of Romania there are sources questioning her title of Crown Princess, that is how it should be. Yes we have to use caution regarding sources published by the individuals themselves, but we also have to wary of unsupported views and speculation being inserted into articles. Also when we talk about House laws we go down the WP:OR route and with these articles we have to be aware of things like WP:BLP. given the style Hereditary Princess by her father is a far more appropriate sentence for now. I will see if there are other sources that refer to her as Hereditary Princess - dwc lr (talk) 12:10, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

There is no original research when it comes to talking about house laws; they are well documented (see Francois Velde's website. Some house laws are specifically Salic, others are specifically semi-Salic. Anhalt's house law does not mention what would happen if all males are extinct. But the title of Erbprinz traditionally only goes to a male dynast (with Erbprinzessin being the wife of the heir). The duke's website presents a new and different situation. Noel S McFerran (talk) 13:22, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Its good the article has been changed. Regarding House Laws I mentioned WP:OR as to me it seems a similar argument I saw elsewhere regarding Princess Olga of Greece (born 1971) and a 1953 Succession Act - dwc lr (talk) 14:09, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Oh and what's the point in me talking to my self about it about I asked Charles to discuss it, it's not my fault he never discusses things. - dwc lr (talk) 10:12, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Please stop the personal comments about other editors. They do not help in building a consensus. Noel S McFerran (talk) 11:03, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm merely making the point that how is one supposed to build consensus if people are not interested in discussing it? What's the point in taking the time to set up a new section to write "I'd actually like to see the discuss part" without raising a point related to the article and reverts. - dwc lr (talk) 12:10, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

YOU can start the discussion by presenting in a cogent fashion your own views and providing evidence for them from published sources. When you write on an article talk page, you're addressing all wiki-editors, not just one person. Noel S McFerran (talk) 13:22, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

I went direct and asked the question so I suppose I did actually start the discussion. It went answered though :-( . - dwc lr (talk) 14:09, 31 May 2008 (UTC)