Talk:Eddie Vedder

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Please fix the biography. Right now it just says "Eddie's mother and Mueller" without mentioning who Mueller is. Whoever erased that from the original biography please but it back.

Please put back Eddie Vedder's photo. thanks.

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[edit] child commercial actor!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bf-4lOQonAU —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.178.105.181 (talk) 05:49, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Vedder vs. Cobain

The article currently says: "Eddie Vedder has also openly admitted to being an all-around worse guitar player/vocalist/lyricist than Kurt Cobain (often looked upon as being the beginning and end of "grunge") on several occasions." Does anyone actually have a citation for this? I've read most of Vedder's interviews and don't recall him ever saying any such thing. Even if he has, I'm not convinced this particular phrasing is NPOV. I'd like to see an exact quote, and if no one can find one then I'm going to remove the sentence. CKarnstein 05:40, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

After looking through the editing history, it appears that the questionable sentence was simple vandalism originally added by someone who couldn't even spell Vedder's name. I have removed it. CKarnstein 05:46, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Biography

Eddie Vedder, vocal and songwriter of alternative/grunge band Pearl Jam, is obviously talented songwriter. I personaly think that he's got an amazing voice and I admire him. :) Anyone else for a talk? :)

Kristina Main article needs to be repaired or deleted due to content.

A link needs to be added to Mr. Vedder's early San Diego band, Bad Radio. They played loud and hard at SDSU and other venues. --Viriditas 12:10, 7 Sep 2004 (UTC)

I wonder if we should include some text on his early years, the divorce and name change and all. It's already in the article I linked, though, and I would prefer to keep the emphasis on his music myself. mvdhout 19:33, 7 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Aloha. This page is about Eddie Vedder, not his band. Yes, I agree that the music should receieve priority, but when someone visits this page they probably want to learn about the person as well. I'm glad you added the Bad Radio link, but I think you should specify that they played in southern California. Music enthusiasts are very interested in geographical details. I'm going to try to scan in some Bad Radio ticket stubs I have (They have a logo) and upload them to the page when I have time. --Viriditas 01:16, 8 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Nice work on the life history, mvdhout. You wrote, While doing regular jobs to get an income... I believe he was working at a gas station at that time, but I could be mistaken. I wonder if you could confirm this in one of his interviews or bios. Then again, he might not have told anybody, other than the members of Bad Radio and his girlfriend. That was close to 14 years ago, so my memory could be faulty. --Viriditas 10:42, 8 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Most of the life story we have now is based on the linked article and some web searching, so I'm not sure about everything, and one thing in particular I'm not sure about: when did he learn about his stepfather (Mr. Mueller) not being his real father? And what prompted him to change his last name to Vedder? Where in the timeline is the divorce of his mother and stepfather?.
Also, I believe he has a new girlfriend and child now so more information on that should be helpful.
I'm not sure about the actual jobs he did, there was mention of a drug store, a hotel where he worked as a security guard, and indeed I have heard that he worked at a gas station as well. mvdhout 11:24, 8 Sep 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Vedder's child

The part about his girlfriend and child was removed, why? Was it incorrect? mvdhout 20:08, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)

EDDIE VEDDER IS MARRIED TO JILL MCCORMICK. IT IS NOT HIS GIRLFRIEND IT'S NOW HIS WIFE. IMDB reported they married in 2004 before there daugher was born. He has stated this numerous times in recent interviews, calling Jill his wife. Example in a recent interview in L.A. he was asked what are doing in LA and he said "My wife and I are visiting Johnny Ramone's Wife Linda....."

^ that last paragraph was actually published on the main article. People, if you are going to add something, at least do it right. See history for details. The revision that added the paragraph was from JMG-30.

[edit] The Gorge, George, WA 09/01/05

There is at least one live album missing from the discography list, The Gorge, George, WA 09/01/05. The Gorge, George, WA 09/01/05 can be downloaded from the official Pearl Jam website, http://pearljam.com/. It includes nearly all of the show and fills nearly 3, 80 min. CD-R discs. I happened to be at the show, it was one of the most awesome experiences of my life. It is worth tracking down if you are a big fan of Pearl Jam.

- T. Trammel - tavern3@hotmail.com

[edit] Imitators

A citation of some sort is needed for the area towards the end that states that the frontment of Creed, Nickelback and Puddle of Mudd have actually admitted to mimicking Vedder's voice, otherwise that is just opinion. 205.238.205.220 21:12, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Cite request added. —Viriditas | Talk 02:31, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Not Grunge

I have listened to albums by almost all of the bands considered to be grunge, and Pearl Jam just doesnt fit in with the other bands. They're not loud or distorted enough and they sound more rock/adult contemporary. I dont really understand why they're classified as grunge. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.25.130.180 (talk • contribs) 02:24, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

This topic comes up a lot. See Grunge music for the answer to your question. —Viriditas | Talk 02:30, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
Grunge isn't even a sound, it was a scene.
Pearl Jam may not have been as heavy or distorted as Nirvana or Soundgarden or the likes, but they were definantly grunge. The albums you may have listened to were ones like Vs? Albums like Ten, Vitalogy, or Pearl Jam (self titled) ensure that they WERE grunge, and their on-stage appearence as well (Vedder usually smashes the mic stand, and some guitars and drum kits have been demolished as well). They helped revolutionise grunge music. Don't question it. Ka5hmir 04:53, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Guardian

In an article about Paul MacCartney in The Guardian (http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,,1928460,00.html), published October 22nd, they refer to Eddie as "former Pearl Jam frontman". Did I miss something or are they just being morons? --JerryLewisOverdrive 17:01, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Personal life

I've added a short "Personal life" section to include information about Vedder's marriages and family. This info was previously down in the "Trivia" section, and it seemed disrespectful to reduce a man's wife and child to trivia status. CKarnstein 06:18, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Photo

The current one is not very good in my opinion. Maybe one of these can be used- http://theskyiscrape.com/website/wikijam/index.php/Category:Eddie_Vedder_Photos. I'm uncertain about the licensing issues but it is a wiki. The Guy From Ipanema 01:48, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dead?

Haha it says "Eddie Vedder (born Edward Louis Seversen III on December 23, 1964 - December 29, 2006)". What the hell? I researched this, and proved that he isn't dead, so i removed it. It also said "Eddie vedder died of unknown circumstances on 29 december. he will be sorely missed", so i got rid of that too. Ka5hmir 04:48, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Someone keeps adding death dates for him, why?

Lol.. maybe someone plans on murdering him?

[edit] Take Me Out To The Ball Game

Should it be mentioned that he sang this at 2 cubs games? - also anyone know the dates?

It's not really notable; by that I mean, it's not really worth a mention that he sang a baseball song at a random baseball match. Frvernchanezzz (talk) 09:27, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Instruments

Tambourine? Cowbell? Honestly, do those need to be listed under instruments? Anyone with hands can use them. --Pifko87 (talk) 20:32, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Discography

There's no reason to list Pearl Jam releases here. Just use a "Further information" template to direct readers to Pearl Jam discography. All that needs to be listed are Vedder's solo releases. WesleyDodds (talk) 11:18, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Edit dispute with User:-5-

  • It is ambiguous whether Eddie Vedder and Jill McCormick are married. Describing them as being "in a relationship" is a satisfiable description in either scenario, and avoids the possibility that the article reflects inaccurate or outdated information by stating that they are "dating."
  • By using the phrase "dissatisfaction with touring" in the reasoning for Jack Irons' departure, there is the implication that there was contention amongst the band, when, in fact, the departure was amicable. As an aside, the Rolling Stone article cited doesn't help the matter by trying to put the negative tabloid-esque spin on it; in the future, we should try to find a better source for this reason, in addition to the fact that even then, the Rolling Stone article is pretty sparse in the actual details for Irons' decision to leave.
  • The statement that the line is, "I want to fuck you up," is not true.

Having said that, this explanation isn't even necessary, because, as explained at the discussion for rearviewmirror (album), the opinion that an edit does not actively improve the article is not an affirmative justification for reverting, if the effects of those edits can be categorized as neutral at worst. It's because of your behavior that the article on that album continues to contain known errors and untagged, unverified claims. 129.15.131.246 (talk) 06:15, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

  • Please don't add something and lazily cover it up with a {{Fact}} tag.
  • Irons was dissatisfied with touring. The Rolling Stone article is a notable source since its published in a credible publication. It's written this way on the Pearl Jam article as well.
  • The only thing I can now agree on is the Rodman thing. After double-checking the lyrics, you're right on that one.

With this and the greatest hits article, it doesn't seem like were on the same page.-5- (talk) 06:33, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

  • You seem to be having difficulty in understanding what is actually being changed in the edits in both articles. On both articles, you have asserted that I've knowingly added unverified claims, although it can be plainly seen in the history that this is not the case, which I've repeatedly pointed out in the talk page on that article as well. I will repeat again, none of my edits have introduced original content to the mentioned articles; I have only copyeditted content already present in the article.
  • How does your response about Irons' actually address my comment?
129.15.131.246 (talk) 07:49, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

You're inferring something in the Irons comment that isn't there. Does it say he was fired? No, it doesn't. He was dissatisfied, and he left on his own terms. So, I don't believe this needs to be changed. If you're going to make an issue of it on this page you should make an issue of it on the Pearl Jam article also. The whole marriage thing is DEFINATELY an unverified claim, since you're just adding it and then depending on someone else to add a source. If you're not sure that its factual, why add it in the first place? There's no source I've ever seen that mentions he is married, so that shouldn't even be up for discussion.-5- (talk) 08:18, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

  • Your response that I have claimed the line about Irons implies that he was fired is a straw man. I have not said anything other than that the particular phrase has a negative implication. If the same phrase appears in the Pearl Jam article as well, it should similarly be changed. Again, I mention the effects of neutral at worst edits.
  • The dispute is not about changing the occurrence of "dating model Jill McCormick" to "in a relationship with model Jill McCormick," for the reasons I've already stated. This is, as with the discussion about rearviewmirror, another display of your misconstruing what is actually happening in the dispute.
129.15.131.246 (talk) 08:47, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Despite warning, as of this edit, User:-5- has violated WP:3RR, with reverts: 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5.

I have violated 3RR as well, with reverts: 1, 2, 3, and 4. 129.15.131.246 (talk) 08:32, 30 April 2008 (UTC)