Talk:Eddie Slovik

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Contents 1 Pacifist 2 Intelligence 3 Pardon 4 Let's do the Time Warp again 5 American soldiers executed for crimes such as rape and murder 6 Death penalty

[edit] Pacifist

Reading the description of Huie's book (from the link) it's clear Huie is portraying Slovik as a pacifist. What is the evidence of this? From what I've read of Slovik's own words, he was simply scared. (I'm not making a moral judgement here; I've never been in combat myself or served in the military.) But if Slovik was acting on some pacifist belief I think the evidence should be included in this article. MK2 04:56, 27 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Slovik wasn't a "pacifist", as in a card carrying member of a movement, or an educated (or even semi-educated, or self-taught) believer of some sort. As you correctly surmise:)...He simply didn't want to be there - he didn't want to get hurt. Petty criminals and lower IQ types make very poor soliders despite popular perceptions or Hollywood movies...Slovik may have recieved the toughest treatment (court martial and execution) of the war, but he was certainly no high-minded, principalled individualist...He was basically a loser. Engr105th (talk) 21:24, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Intelligence

Somewhere I've read that Slovik's intelligence was considerably below average (in the 80 IQ range), but this article doesn't allude to it. Also, it bears mentioning that the execution did raise some public outcry, leading to an overhaul of military justice which culminated in the UCMJ of 1951. --bamjd3d—Preceding comment was added at 18:22, June 29, 2005 (UTC)

If you have a source regarding the sub-average intelligence claim, refer to it. Otherwise, your allegation is heresay. GJK 20:07, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

In wikipedia, the phrase "Somewhere I read," carries absolutely no credibility for whatever statement of "fact" that is presented. Furthermore, there is no evidence that Slovik's case raised ENOUGH of a public outcry for the Pentagon to rewrite the UCMJ out of some kind of guilt over his solitary execution for desertion. It may have been due for revision in any event.—Preceding unsigned comment added by T.E. Goodwin (talk • contribs) 21:37, November 12, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Pardon

According to Find a Grave he was pardoned by Carter. Is this true? -- Al™ 19:44, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

I was in the Army ('64-'85) during Carter's term, and don't believe his amnesty for VN-era draft-dodgers & deserters included Slovik. If he had pardoned Slovik I believe the outrage among the military, especially combat vets, would have been memorable, to say the least. The comments of his firing squad were typical.(Retired MSgt)—Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.174.2.203 (talk • contribs) 01:58, May 29, 2006 (UTC)

from the findagrave link:

Slovik's remains were returned to Michigan in 1987, after he was pardoned by President Jimmy Carter. Forty-two years after Slovik's :execution, his remains are reburied next to his wife, Antoinette

it would be nice to verify or refute the pardon. anyone find a 2nt source? --Michaelcoyote 06:51, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Let's do the Time Warp again

"In 1987, forty-two years after Slovik's execution, his remains were returned to Michigan and reburied next to his wife Antoinette (who died in 1989) in Woodmere Cemetery in Detroit."

Does anybody else see a problem here? silsor 07:40, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

FORTY TWO YEARS! That's the answer to life ! 82.5.226.122 17:47, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Absolutely disgusting. Kntrabssi 06:03, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

I have corrected the information, Antoinette died in 1979[1]. Fuelbottle 01:38, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] American soldiers executed for crimes such as rape and murder

94 American soldiers executed by the U.S. and in just this cemetery. Does anyone roughly know the number of it's own troops the U.S. executed through the course of WWII? This is interesting and seldom talked about.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Meilander (talk • contribs) 02:14, May 30, 2006

According to Stephen Ambrose in Citizen Soldiers (p342), 65 men were ordered shot during WWII, Ike commuted 16 to life in stockade, leaving 49 with the sentence carried out. -SaintMahone—Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.145.64.64 (talk • contribs) 14:50, June 15, 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Death penalty

it is arguable that in sloviks case since he was deserting to miss an action where casualties may have been high that the death penalty was just as other men were probably scared too but stayed in the line and did there duty Bouse23 18:32, 12 October 2007 (UTC)