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Contents 1 Make two sperate pages? 2 PWI 3 WWE and ECW titles separate 4 Change of title 5 2 seperate championships 6 More WWE revisionism 7 Is the TRASH belt/Rhyno Storyline/Logo Color even notable to the history of the entire title? 8 Proper Name 9 First African American to hold title? 10 I think an official consensus should be made... 11 Requested move 11.1 Survey 11.2 Discussion 12 Proposed move reversal 13 Alternate version of the ECW belt 14 Newer new version of the belt 15 Picture 16 ECW Champion(s) 17 Shortest Title Reign 18 Vandalism 19 Title match on ecw 20 Moved article back 21 The actual name of the championship 22 Johnny Nitro mention 23 World Championship status 24 Big Daddy V 25 ECW champion change hand today saturday at 8:55 pm 26 Name is still ECW Championship 27 Version History of Title Belt 28 name 29 Help, need picture.... 30 The links are gone... 31 old belt again?

[edit] Make two sperate pages?

Who thinks the Original ECW World Heviweight and the new version the ECW World Title should be seperate?-- Kings bibby win 22:27, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

This has been discussed before. COncensious (sp?) was they should not be--67.52.102.68 22:11, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] PWI

Who gives a crap if PWI recognized it as a world title or not?—Preceding unsigned comment added by Unopeneddoor (talk • contribs)

Wikiproject Pro Wrestling does, I'm sure. And who are you again? ^---SilentRAGE! 13:53, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WWE and ECW titles separate

On the premiere edition of ECW on Sci Fi, Paul Heyman declared RVD the ECW Champion as he promised to. However, no mention was made of the WWE Championship being renamed the ECW Championship, and while RVD was presented with the ECW belt, he also kept the WWE belt. It appears as if the WWE title won't be renamed the ECW title, and instead, RVD is a dual champion. Therefore, I've removed the disambig about the ECW title now being the WWE title and recreated the "Current champion" section with information regarding RVD's being awarded the title. Jeff Silvers 02:45, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

The original storyline was to re-incarnate the WWE Championship into the new ECW Championship but RVD kept it because "It Spins" so the storyline was changed so that it will go in accordance to RVD's statement Hhh210 12:29, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Change of title

I put the fact that in the ECW re-incarnation, the class-A title was know as the ECW Championship, deleting the World Heavyweight. So, I asked if the title of this article should be changed to ECW Championship. I put a link to WWE.com who confirms that. So, it should be done, or not?

• But they're still introducing him as the "ECW World Heavyweight Champion" (on ECW at least; he's simply called "the champion" when on RAW), and it's been called that ever since One Night Stand. I have yet to hear it called the "ECW Championship" except on that title history page, and that could very well be a simple mistake. MarcK 10:25, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Well, given that the original ECW and the WWE brand have different pages, why not for the title? Also, I beleive it was brought up that the "world heavyweight" has been dropped from the title to avoid any possible confusion with Smackdown's top belt...I'll try to find a source on that. Tromboneguy0186 07:29, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

They're still calling him the ECW World Heavyweight Champion. His profile page says that. The page you linked to (the history on WWE.com) says ECW Championship, but the page that links to that page describes the title as the ECW World Heavyweight Championship.

And about the new and old versions of the titles being separate... I don't know. Other than the fact that RVD hasn't been added to the title history at ECW.com (which could be blamed on mere page neglect, which WWE has been prone to in the past), there's absolutely nothing to indicate this is a new title. Jeff Silvers 06:05, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Tonight, ECW.com reads "Big Show pinned Rob Van Dam to become the new ECW World Heavyweight Champion." So, I guess that's that. Tromboneguy0186 03:25, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 2 seperate championships

I believe this requires three completely seperate articles, as there are 3 completely seperate titles. These should be

• NWA World Heavyweight Championship
• ECW World Heavyweight Championship
• WWE ECW World Heavyweight Championship

The ECW World Heavyweight Championship is still owned by Rhino, who, as part of the legal settlement during the bankrupcy in 2001, was awarded the title of 'ECW World Heavyweight Champion' permanently, thus Rhino is still techinically ECW Champion

As the new brand of WWE called ECW has very little to do with the original ECW, and has a brand new championship, this should be given its own lineage and page on the site, with the 1st champion listed as Rob Van Dam, on 11th June 2006 User:ECWWrestling

I disagree strongly with this. For one, I've never heard anything that says that Rhino was declared the "permanent ECW Champion." Second, WWE owns ECW. Even if the current incarnation is nothing like the original, it is still "officially" ECW. There has been nothing to indicate that the ECW World Heavyweight Championship currently held by The Big Show isn't the same title held by Sandman and Tazz in the past. Yes, it's a different physical belt, and yes, Rhino owns the original, but that doesn't make him the champion. Hulk Hogan still owns the WCW title from the Russo incident at Bash at the Beach 2000, but nobody claims he is the WCW Champion. Furthermore, as the parent company of ECW, WWE has the right to decide whether or not the current title is a continuation of the original, and they have done just that.

As far as the NWA thing goes, I don't understand that one at all. The only connection the ECW Championship has to the NWA Championship is that they were briefly held by the same person. Jeff Silvers 20:35, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

I totally agree with the guy above me.^ And for User:ECWWrestling, id like to say that just having 'the title BELT' doesnt make one a champion, you all should know that WWe's(affiliated) developmental promotion Ohio Valley Wrestling, its OVW Hardcore Championship was NOT represnted by a BELT at all, rather the championship title was a Trash Can!--T00C00L 12:07, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, and I just realized this a couple a days ago that there is a difference in colouring of the ECW logo, on the original belt and the current belt, and so i put it up on the main page on 13th July 2006. --T00C00L 10:59, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Thank You--T00C00L 10:59, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

should't their be something about Rhino begin {being the REAL ECW champion

^what are you talking about, Fool? he isnt even in ECW !!! --T00C00L 07:27, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Why'd you sign your name to somebody else's message, T00C00L? (I removed it) Jeff Silvers 16:29, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

oh, thats because that FOOL, wrote begin where he was supposed to write being, :so he was not just making HIMSELF look like a fool, he was makin wikipedia and the whole professional wrestling industry, and professinal wrestling fans look like a fool,so,i corrected HIS spelling IN a BRACKET and signed my name beside That!!!--T00C00L 15:05, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

should't their be something about Rhino begin the REAL ECW champion

now how does that^ sound like, sounds as if he's trying to say that Rhino is going to be starting a New title which he (Rhino) will call the REAL ECW CHAMPIONSHIP or something like that, but thats NOT true is it !!! --T00C00L 15:05, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

You just can't take the truth that Rhino the real ECW champion user:supermike

just what we needed, another ^idiot!!! --T00C00L 07:11, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Rhino is not the real champion, he was the last champion of the old ECW. He stopped being champion when the original ECW folded in April 2001. Also, sign your posts people. TJ Spyke 00:05, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

TNA-loving losers should be banned from this site... Rhyno was the last ECW champ in the original ECW, ok??? Has he defended that title since then? NO... Because ECW went out of business... what gives Rhyno the right to claim to be the real champion anyway??? He's lost tons of matches since 2001 and is a WWE-reject... it's just like Gillberg sitting at home for two years and claiming to still be the WWF Light-Heavyweight Champion (because he still owned that belt.. h-yuck!)... Rhyno should get over the fact that in TNA he will never be as big as he was back in 2001... (TNA overall will never be big if they continue copying everything WWE did back in the 90s) Matt 4/9/06

When did Sabu win the NWA World Heavyweight Title? 9/6/06

well at least TNA is it using Eddie death as a storyline or bring back DX and NWO and Rhino is a NWA champion and is getting a way better push now then in 2001[supermike]

That might be because Guerrero never performed for TNA, and they don't own the copyrights for DX or the nWo. I'm sure if they could use DX or nWo, they would (they're arguably two of the three most important wrestling factions ever, the other being the Horsemen). Jeff Silvers 22:44, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] More WWE revisionism

WWE has changed the ECW World Heavyweight Championship history on ECW.com so that any champions who held the title prior to Douglas' throwing down the NWA World belt are no longer recognized. This is in contrast to the previous version of the page, which acknowledged all champions starting with Snuka's first reign in 1992. Jeff Silvers 01:02, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

The reason is probably because before that it was the NWA: ECW Championship, and the NWA is technically their competition. TJ Spyke 00:05, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

That hasn't stopped them from recognizing holders of the NWA United States Championship in their WWE United States Championship history. Jeff Silvers 08:21, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

they could also being only reconizing the championship of extreme championship wrestling and not eastern championship wrestling Ranul 04:27, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Ranul could be right, they didn't change their name to "Extreme Championship Wrestling" until the Shane Douglas incident. TJ Spyke 04:37, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

It's probably due to the lawsuit between Tod Gordon and the WWE concerning the tape library of the old NWA Eastern Championship Wrestling.Wwb 19:06, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Is the TRASH belt/Rhyno Storyline/Logo Color even notable to the history of the entire title?

The TRASH belt is probably only and custom replica, The Rhino storyline is not really notable to the belt history since it just a storyline. This is just another critism at attacking the legitmice of WWE's ECW Brand. The promotion called ECW is dead,its assets where won by WWE.Its WWE choice if it wants to use for DVDs/Books or storylines. To get to my point, is the TRASH belt/Rhyno storyline be considered canon? Does it really mater what color the logo on the belt is. If not then it doesn't belong in a Genral Encylopedia,maybe an wrestling wiki but not on wikipedia. BionicWilliam 01:18, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

"Canon"? Is the purpose of Wikipedia to report "official" wrestling storylines? You can view the reference on the TRASH page if you want to learn how it ended up being the TRASH belt. Robert K S 02:51, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

But TRASH & the Rhyno Storyline have no connection to the actual history of the belt. The only connection ethier of them to the belt is that they claim to have the real belt and really anybody can claim a replica as the ture belt, if you read TRASH sorce article its says the have the real belt but the TRASH replacing ECW. That means that it a replica/remade not the real deal. Plus there not offical storylines since they have no connection the current belt just some old version/replica of the current belt/strap. WWE owns ECW assets so they can use it how ever they want ECW is there property not TRASH. Also do you really think that some joe shmoe off the street care what happened to the old phyisical belt of a dead promotion (ECW). To make my point clear is the TRASH belt/Rhyno Storyline/Logo Color even notable to the history of the entire title if it not it shouldn't be in this article in a GENERAL Encyclopedia.

BionicWilliam 03:11, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

The TRASH belt is the original ECW belt, and not a forgery, though I don't know of any way to evidence this besides the citation already given in the TRASH article, which you apparently did read but interpreted misleadingly. (If the TRASH belt ever said "TRASH" in place of "ECW" on the belt, it has not since 2005, when the picture of it was taken at TRASHionals 8 in Pittsburgh by OntarioQuizzer.) Whether the fate of the original belt is relevant to the article is for fans of ECW to decide, and I am not one. Robert K S 05:12, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Proper Name

It seems to me that the name shortening to "ECW World Championship" is a permanent change, designed to avoid confusion with Smackdown's "World Heavyweight Championship". Subsequently, I believe that this page should be returned to that title, as it was for a short while.

This is not the same as the Rey Mysterio situation. In that case, the word "heavyweight" wasn't used on Smackdown's title because Rey is obviously not a heavyweight. Big Show, on the other hand, is very much a heavyweight. There would be no reason to drop the word based on that. The avoidence of confusion is a far more likely reason.

Which of course, leads to the question of "why not just call it the 'ECW Championship' instead?" If I may speculate, it would be to emphasize the idea that it is a world title, since it would otherwise not have it in its spelled out name (unlike the WWE Championship, where the first W means "World") oknazevad 05:17, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

I agree, the name of the article should be called ECW World Championship. They refer to it that way on WWE.com/ECW.com, so it should be referred to as ECW World Championship. I mean, WWE Monday Night RAW is referred to on WWE.com as Raw, and its the same way on Wikipedia, where RAW is Raw. So I agree with oknazevad when he says the page should be moved. TJ Sparks 03:07am, Nov. 23, 2006 (UTC)

It appears this page actually was moved to ECW World Championship at one point, but was then moved back here. Any particular reason? It's pretty obvious WWE has removed the Heavyweight portion of the name. Jeff Silvers 08:00, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Unless somebody objects, I'm going to move this to ECW World Championship pretty soon. In addition, we probably need to change instances of "ECW World Heavyweight Championship" to "ECW World Championship" when referring to the title after RVD's reign. Jeff Silvers 03:40, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

I do object, and for the reasons i've stated before. We didn't move SD's title to "World Championship" just because they called it that while Mysterio was champion. TJ Spyke 03:52, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

That's because, as somebody else above said, there was a practical reason for removing the word "Heavyweight" from the title that only applied to Mysterio. Big Show is obviously a heavyweight, so there's no indication that the removal of the word from the title's name was specific to him. Jeff Silvers 05:39, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

We don't know if it was a permanent name change though. TJ Spyke 04:25, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Well, they've been excluding the "Heavyweight" from the name since about the time Big Show won it back in July, which was five months ago. They've also been referring to Lashley as the ECW World Champion (again, with "Heavyweight" excluded), so this doesn't seem to be exclusive to Big Show. Jeff Silvers 11:31, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Now, granted, tonight on ECW, Big Show referred to the championship as the ECW World Heavyweight Championship. But, for the title match, the graphic that comes up that states which title is being defended said ECW World Title. No heavyweight mentioned. And, last week on Smackdown, the graphic for the World Heavyweight Championship said World Heavyweight Championship. Not to mention, WWE.com calls Lashley the ECW World Champion. So, I think this hopefully clears it up on the official name, in which case I move we move this page to ECW World Championship. Anakinjmt 04:51, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Exactly. Since TJ Spyke seems to be the only person who objects, I'm moving this to ECW World Championship. Jeff Silvers 00:37, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Or maybe not. I forgot you can't move an article to a page for which there is already an article (in this case, ECW World Championship exists as a redirect to ECW World Heavyweight Championship, so I can't move it there). I have requested administrative assistance in moving this article. Jeff Silvers 00:52, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Hey, lad. If that was made, why don't we do the same with the World Heavyweight Championship, the NWA World Heavyweight Championship, the IWGP World Heavyweight Championship, etc, etc, etc. I mean, this issue was about dropping the "Heavyweight" from the ECW world title. Look at the belt, it says "ECW World Heavyweight Championship". There is just two exceptions to that rule of the "World Heavyweight Championship" name: the WWE Championship and the ROH World Championship. But because it was said IN THE BELT!!!!!! I think that dropping the "Heavyweight" because it was said on TV (and Tazz refers time-to-time as the ECW Championship, dropping the "World Heavyweight") was totally senseless. I wasn't agree at all with that change.

Vince Mcmahon clearly said he was the "ECW World Heavyweight Champion" tonight on ECW.

They have started to refer to it simply as the ECW Championship recently...Morrison when he was Nitro even was listed as ECW Champion. And WWE.com previews now say both names throughout. SAH-DennyCrane 07:42, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

He is correct. The championship was renamed as of late July - early August. [1], [2], [3](see July 17 and 24).-- bulletproof ^3:16 17:12, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] First African American to hold title?

This page points out that Bobby Lashley is the First African American to hold the title, But since this title is concidered a continuation of the original ECW title line, Shouldn't Tazz be counted as one as well?

Is it considered a continuation of the original title? I haven't heard that, but that might be because I just didn't catch it. Also, please sign your comments. Anakinjmt 00:43, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Considering that List of ECW World Heavyweight Champions begins with Snuka and continues to Lashley, I'd say that Wikipedia's policy is that the current title and the title in the original promotion are one and the same. Removing the bit about Lashley's being the first African-American champ. Jeff Silvers 01:28, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

And just to clarify, I put this discussion into its own section called "First African American to hold title?" so it isn't confused with the above discussion about the title's official name. Jeff Silvers 01:30, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

It appears that TJ Spyke re-added the bit about Lashley's being the first African-American to hold the title. I almost removed it, but then I realized that Tazz is Italian. Whooooops. A review of List of ECW World Heavyweight Champions reveals that no previous champion had been black. So... yeah. Lashley's the first. Jeff Silvers 02:45, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Tazz isn't black? Whoa. I figured he was Italian, but I thought he was black too. Wow. Learn something new every day... Anakinjmt 13:36, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Maybe he is, but unless I missed it, his article says nothing about it. He's in the Italian-Americans category, but not African-Americans. Jeff Silvers 17:32, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] I think an official consensus should be made...

I think an official consensus should be made concerning the name of this article on whether or not it should be called ECW World Heavyweight Championship or ECW World Championship. --James Maxx 17:41, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm setting up the standard talk header. Part Deux 19:21, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

I think this has now been decided. Hopefully we now move on; Assuming my hopes are justified, well done team. Andrewa 08:49, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Proposed move reversal

From my talk page:

Part of the reason there was no opposition was that it was never mentioned at WP:PW, is there a version of the deletion review for moved pages? The article should be moved back and the members of WP:PW should be told about the move request. TJ Spyke 07:38, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Disagree that the article should be moved back. A Wikiproject is just another collaboration tool. If other editors decide not to consult the Wikiproject and the Wikiproject members don't notice what is happening, the processes just go ahead without them. In hindsight I should have raised it at the Wikiproject myself, but that's done now.

Yes, there's a review mechanism, which is simply to list a reversal of the move on WP:RM. My suggestion is that you discuss it on the talk page first. Quick relistings often attract a certain amount of opposition unless there's a consensus of several editors established on the talk page first.

You might also consider making better use of the watchlist facility to prevent this sort of thing happening again. Andrewa 22:20, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

I think the move should not be reversed, as, regardless of what the belt says (the WWE Undisputed Championship never had the words "Undisputed" on it, but was referred as undisputed), it should stay as ECW World Championship. We should go by how WWE refers to it. I mean, if the page RAW is changed to Raw, based on how it is on WWE.com, this article should follow suit and be referred to what it is currently known as and NOT ECW World Heavyweight Championship. --  Jลмєs Mลxx™  Msg me  My contribs  13:09, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

I agree. Personally I doubt that any such move request would gather much support. But I was asked what the process is, and that's what the process is. It's probably not perfect, but it seems to do the job. Andrewa 09:17, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

I think it should stay as ECW World Championship, that's how the WWE refers to it, and I like it better because there really isn't a weight limit as to who can hold it, as with every other world heavyweight title in pro wrestling, and ROH also calls their title simply World Championship because there's no defined weight limit. TonyFreakinAlmeida 01:37, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

I think the move should be reversed. It was just because of a reference on TV that motivated the move. Just look at the belt: it reads "ECW WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT WRESTLING CHAMPIONSHIP" and it hasn't been removed the heavyweight label in the new version of the belt. Also, in TNA sometimes they refer to the NWA World Heavyweight Championship as "NWA World Champion-title" or "NWA Heavyweight Champion-title", but that was a reason to move the article? Not for me. Xbox6 02:22, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

The WWE owns the belt, title, rights to it's history, they can call it what they want regardless of what is on the physical belt itself, so if they officially call it ECW World Title or Championship or if they renamed it to Tuesday Night Crapfest World Title, regardless of what is on that belt, that is it's name. TonyFreakinAlmeida 02:28, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

I don't know what is going on here, but the belt clearly says Heavy Weight to me. It is a Heavy Weight belt under heavyweight rules. They have just titled it to avoid mixing it up with the WWE Heavyweight belt. Govvy 13:59, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

But as James Maxx mentioned above, the words on a title's belt don't necessarily form the actual name of the championship. If that were the case, we'd have to move this to "ECW World Heavyweight Wrestling Championship." And to address Xbox6's comments, this wasn't an isolated reference on television, it's the name which is used in the overwhelming number of instances on WWE television and in other WWE media. Jeff Silvers 03:38, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, what about that: leave the title of the article as ECW World Championship, but the beginning of the article was Extreme Championship Wrestling (ECW) World Heavyweight Championship, and a reference to the name change by WWE. I think that'll be a good agreement. Xbox6 19:39, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

I suggest it saying something like "The ECW World Championship (formerly known as the ECW World Heavyweight Championship" blah blah blah. Anakinjmt 04:34, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, I don't know, but in this page the title is still refered as World Heavyweight [4] Xbox6 15:08, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

And yet, here[5] it's called the ECW Championship, and here[6] if you look on the side bar, it says ECW World Title. WWE.com often doesn't agree with itself in certain things. Based, however, on not only what's said and shown on TV, but that two cases of ECW World Championship on WWE.com are used and only one case of ECW World Heavyweight Championship is used on WWE.com, and in the shop area no less, which I doubt gets updated very often on content changing a little bit, I'd say it's fairly safe to keep this page where it is. Anakinjmt 17:44, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Alternate version of the ECW belt

i have always noted that this article has never mentioned and has never had a picture of one of the designs of the ECW world title, here are some pictures of that particular belt, [7] and [8] and [9], and i really hope that this is mentioned and a picture of the belt is posted on the main page of the article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 210.4.69.4 (talk) 14:25, 12 February 2007 (UTC).

We would probably need to find a better image of the belt, preferably one where the belt is by itself (and, of course, the image would have to be fair use). Jeff Silvers 12:11, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Or free use. Anakinjmt 18:12, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Whichever. Jeff Silvers 01:07, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

I had a picture of the belt by itself, i will try to find it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 210.4.77.150 (talk) 08:48, 6 April 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Newer new version of the belt

Has anybody noticed that WWE seems to be using yet another ECW World Championship belt? I'm not just referring to the red ECW logo; this newer belt seems to feature quite a bit of black in the background (but is otherwise identical to the previous one). I believe they started using it sometime after Lashley's reign began. Jeff Silvers 22:25, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Its actually the same belt. If you look at an old picture of the original ECW title, you can see that it also had that black background look to it. Its just lighting that gives it that look. The reason that direct images of the belt make it look gold all over is because the light of the flash is heading straight towards the belt. It all has to do with lighting-- bulletproof ^3:16 00:25, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Nevermind... -- bulletproof ^3:16 23:38, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Picture

Is there a reason the top picture is...of such bad quality? What was the reason we stopped using the other one? Anakinjmt 18:15, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

The reason the current picture is of such poor quality is because the creator edited it from an image of the kid's foam/plastic toy belt from WWEShop.com. It appears the plates were stretched to fit the dimensions of the other image on the page. Also, the leftmost and rightmost plates were edited from the two plates next to the center. We really need to find a better image of the belt, or at least create a better one. Jeff Silvers 13:33, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Speaking of pictures shouldn't there be one of Johnny whats his name (no offense)with the title belt, there is a pic of everybody else with their belts.stillboy2191 17:49, 7,21,07 (UTC)

[edit] ECW Champion(s)

Are Shane and Umaga ECW co-champions? Zerorules677 17:13, 09 May 2007 (UTC)

No; Mr. McMahon is the sole ECW World Champion. It just so happens that he won the title in a match that featured Shane and Umaga (and that he's defending the title against Lashley in a similar match at Judgment Day). Jeff Silvers 00:21, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. Just wanted to know. Zerorules677 15:22, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Shortest Title Reign

I thought it was Tommy Dreamer's title reign that was the shortest. Back when Tazz took it from Mike Awesome, he gave it to Tommy Dreamer, or something to that effect, and then Justin Credible came out and took it from him in less than a few minutes. Shatterzer0 02:06, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

• That is a good point. Does anyone know how long his reign was? I'm assuming a stopwatch would help.... 12.75.235.78

[edit] Vandalism

Perhaps someone in the know might want to fix the obvious vandalism in the Statistics section of this page. "Nik Mysterio" holding the title for 799 days and being the youngest champion at 12 years, 146 days? Seriously Problem fixed204.62.140.102 13:35, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Title match on ecw

Does anybody know if there will be a match on ecw for the title tonight. Seth103

WWE hasn't announced anything about it. Right now, the preview for tonight's ECW includes speculation about who will "claim" the title. My guess is that they'll have either a tournament or a match at Vengeance, but of course such speculation doesn't belong in the article. Hopefully this will all be cleared up by the end of tonight's ECW. Jeff Silvers 20:35, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Moved article back

A user moved this article to ECW World Heavyweight Championship earlier today without discussing it here (and apparently without even bothering to read where we reached a consensus to keep the article without "Heavyweight" in the name). I moved the article back to its proper and accepted namespace. I also removed a note added to the article that the "official" name for the title still includes the word "Heavyweight" (along with a reference supposedly supporting this claim that just linked to a results page for ECW on Sci Fi at Obsessed with Wrestling). Jeff Silvers 01:12, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The actual name of the championship

There's a weird problem here, which someone caught. The actual physical belt says on the main plate "ECW World Heavyweight Wrestling Champion", shouldn't that be what we default to when naming the championship for this article?«»bd(^talk _stalk) 17:25, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Generally we accept the name most commonly used by the championship's parent promotion as being the official name. Otherwise, WCW World Heavyweight Championship would have to be renamed to World Heavyweight Wrestling Championship, and World Tag Team Championship (WWE) would have to be renamed to WWE Tag Team Championship--which would create confusion since there's already an article called WWE Tag Team Championship. Besides, just because the belt says ECW World Heavyweight Wrestling Champion doesn't mean that's the name of the title; the WWF Cruiserweight Championship was briefly represented by the old WCW Cruiserweight Title until a new belt was introduced. Jeff Silvers 04:18, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm gonna have to bring this up again, but someone renamed the page to ECW Championship. From what I can gather on WWE.com, sometimes it's referred to as the ECW World Title sometimes simply ECW title, or ECW championship. For instance, in the title history section for it, on the graphic bar at the top it says ECW Championship. In the roster page, where at the top it shows the champion(s) of the brand, it shows John Morrison with a graphic that calls him ECW Champion, it used to say ECW World Champion, but I guess the WWE is taking a simplistic approach to the title. For one thing, there have been ramblings that the ECW brand is now just an upper developmental territory, and maybe this has to do with a downgrade of the title's world status by the WWE itself(note, I'm not talking about PWI), as the OVW and FCW titles are referred to as Southern Heavyweight championships and now, maybe the ECW title is just simply that, the ECW title. What do you guys think? TonyFreakinAlmeida 17:07, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

For the record, last night on ECW, Morrison's name bar said ECW Champion and not ECW World Champion as it had in the past. Anyhow, by your logic, the WWE Championship would also have been downgraded in World status after it began to be referred to without the words "World Heavyweight" in its name. The fact is, regardless of what WWE treats ECW as, the ECW Championship is still a World title in their mind. I haven't seen anything that suggests otherwise. Since the Royal Rumble and Money in the Bank winners can still challenge for any World title in WWE, one of which being the ECW Championship, it pretty much shows that the ECW Championship hasn't lost "World" status in their mind. I guess we'll just have to wait until next year's Royal Rumble and Money in the Bank matches to see if the ECW Championship is no longer considered a World title. Very good observation though. -- bulletproof ^3:16 17:42, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

I didn't mean it like that for the WWE title, but whatever, treat it as you see it. Yeah you're right, I guess they decided to take World out of it as they already have the World Heavyweight Title, so now there's WWE, ECW and World. I was wrong probably, but it was just my thought as to why they had changed the name but looking at it, it's probably just a reference change and it doesn't mean they think less of the ECW title now. TonyFreakinAlmeida 22:03, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

I completely agree with the your reasoning as to why they changed the ECW title's name on that one. To have a WWE ECW and World champion. Agreed.-- bulletproof ^3:16 22:09, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Johnny Nitro mention

I don't know if this is relevent or not, but like on the Women's Championship page which states that Candice Michelle is the first woman from the Diva Search to win the Women's title, should it be mentioned on this page that Nitro is the first Tough Enough winner/contestant to win a major World title in WWE? Virakhvar321 21:02, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

To be honest, I don't actually think Michelle's participation in the Diva Search is notable enough to mention in WWE Women's Championship, and Nitro's participation in Tough Enough probably isn't notable enough for inclusion here, either. It should be fine to mention it in the Candice Michelle and Johnny Nitro articles, though. Jeff Silvers 13:07, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] World Championship status

I was reading on the PWI's List of Wrestling World Heavyweight Title Reigns page about how the ECW Title is currently not being recognised as a World Championship, so should the title of this page be changed to the ECW Championship, or should there just be a mention in the article that the PWI don't recognise it as a World Title? Steveweiser 22:48, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

No, the name of the title is ECW World Championship, and let it be made clear that Pro Wrestling Illustrated isn't a gold standard for world championships in professional wrestling. I do not think it is worth mentioning that it doesn't have the world status currently from PWI, as in my opinion it is bordering on the lines of neutrality. PWI has historically only recognized 3 world titles at any given time(except for right now, they're still recognizing NWA world title as one, though the title is vacant). Hence, why they don't recognize all 3 of the WWE's designated world championships as such. What you're saying would mean we'd have to change the name of other articles too, ROH World Championship to ROH Championship, PWG World Championship to PWG Championship, etc. It's the name of the title and that's it. TonyFreakinAlmeida 14:51, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Hey,it is still a world championship because Estrada just confirmed a while ago that it is still a world title —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.217.5.194 (talk) 02:49, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Besides, PWI calls the WWE Championship the "RAW World Title" or something like that (likewise, the World Heavyweight Championship is referred to as the "SmackDown! World Championship"). In any event, it appears somebody has already moved this to ECW Championship without actually discussing it here, so I'm moving it back to the accepted name of ECW World Championship. Jeff Silvers 00:56, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

The page was moved becuase the name of the title was changed to that of ECW Championship as of August according to WWE.com and this past Tuesday on ECW. -- bulletproof ^3:16 00:59, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Other than the title history page on WWE.com (which has always said "ECW Championship," i.e., this isn't a recent change reflecting a new name for the title), where has WWE.com verified that the name was changed? Jeff Silvers 01:07, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

The main page of the title history section on WWE.com use to say "ECW World" when referring to the ECW title. Now, however, the page only says ECW Championship. Another thing is the archives section on the ECW page. All results from July 17 and back refer to the champ and belt as the ECW World Champion/Championship. However, the results from July 24 and this week's refer to the champ and title as the ECW Championship/Champion only. Here's some more evidence. The name bar of the ECW champ from The Big Show's reign up to The Great American Bash said ECW World Champion. Thats also the way the champ was referred through as such. Then, last week on ECW, Morrison's name bar said ECW World Champion too however he began to be referred to as the ECW Champion only throughout the show and so was was his belt (ECW Championship)[10]. Now this past tuesday on ECW, not only was the champ still referred to as the ECW champion but his name bar now also said ECW Champion [11].-- bulletproof ^3:16 02:35, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Meh, fair enough. Jeff Silvers 03:01, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

I wonder why they changed it though.-- bulletproof ^3:16 03:07, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Nonetheless, in the future, how about allowing an actual day of discussion before randomly moving articles? Mshake3 02:53, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

See the discussion above. Cheers. -- bulletproof ^3:16 02:56, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

You mean you moving the page on the 7th, with the first discussion about it being on the 8th? How about in the future you lay off the move button until some discussion actually occurs? Mshake3 03:03, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Hey,it is still a world championship because Estrada just confirmed a while ago that it is still a world title —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.217.28.188 (talk) 09:06, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

So the article was moved as that's the title current name. So in theory, shouldn't the WCW World Heavyweight Championship (and tag team title) aricle be moved to WCW Championship? Mshake3 03:12, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Woh woh woh woh. First of all I didn't even see your comment. Second, in theory, the WCW should be moved to WCW World Championship because that's the way its referred to on it's history page. However, I do agree with you in that since the title is now retired, it shouldn't be changed at all.-- bulletproof ^3:16 03:20, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Besides, even on the WWE.com history page for the WCW World Heavyweight Championship, WWE is pretty inconsistent with the name; sometimes it's "WCW World," sometimes it's "WCW Heavyweight," sometimes it's "WCW World Heavyweight," sometimes it's some version of one of those without the initials, and sometimes it's JUST the initials. It's best to just leave that article's title as is (which was the official name of the belt for the duration of its existence). Jeff Silvers 13:14, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

To clear all of the controversy up:

WWE changed the name to "ECW Championship" to simplify things. You have the World Heavyweight Championship on Smackdown, so the World part was cut from the ECW belt so people wouldn't get confused. Plus it's easier and quicker just to say "ECW Championship".

WWE though still considers this a World Title (PWI not withstanding) due to the fact that Lashley is pushed as a former World Champion due to his 2 ECW reigns, as well as the fact that the ECW Title is an option for either the Royal Rumble winner or Money in the Bank winner to go after.

Ohgltxg 23:14 August 9, 2007 (UTC)

[12] refers to it as both the ECW Championship and the ECW World Title. As does the text in Morrison's blurb at [13]. VWG

The card rundown for SummerSlam shown tonight on SmackDown! referred to Morrison as the ECW Champion and the graphics referred to the title and and the match as the ECW Championship. This past week on ECW, Morrison's namebar said ECW Champion only [14], as oppose to the way it use to say last month which was ECW World Champion. Note that throughout both shows, Morrison and the title were referred to as the ECW Champion/Championship by ring announcers and commentators as well. The title's name has changed. -- bulletproof ^3:16 05:35, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Big Daddy V

Why don't we just say he's the champion because he's never been beaten on ECW. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.163.201.122 (talk) 18:02, August 28, 2007 (UTC)

...What? Jeff Silvers 21:46, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] ECW champion change hand today saturday at 8:55 pm

CM PUNK is our new champ I guess they had Morrson lose the title at a house show Supermike 8:56, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

it wasn;t a house show. it was the ecw tapings for tuesday.

Either way, nothing changes until the WWE confirms it, either online or when ECW airs. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 01:07, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

WWE.com have confirmed the switch, with a picture of Punk holding the title. Steveweiser 02:13, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Name is still ECW Championship

I don't know why the name was changed, but look on ECW Superstars' page, it's still the 'ECW Championship' BBoy 03:22, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Well, no see this reason --KingMorpheus 20:56, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

If you're referring to the fact the belt still says "World" on it, I don't think that is valid logic. The WWE no longer refers to it as the ECW "World" Championship: on their TV programs or on their website. It makes no difference what it says on the belt. For example, after the WCW Cruiserweight Title became the WWF Cruiserweight Title, the belt representing the championship still kept the old WCW logo. That doesn't mean it was still a WCW title. They just didn't have time to update the belt yet. They eventually changed that belt, and I expect them to do the same with the ECW Championship belt in the future. And even if the belt design stays the same, I don't think it makes a bit of difference. After all, the World Heavyweight Championship belt effectively says "WWE World Heavyweight Championship" on its front plate. But I don't hear any rallying to add WWE to the championship's name. Bmf 51 05:38, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Exactly. They're still calling it the ECW Championship, so I don't get why this was changed back to ECW World Championship. Baycore 05:46, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

see CM Punks stats on that page —Preceding unsigned comment added by KingMorpheus (talk • contribs) 18:11, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

And? What if the current champion's bio said "WWE United States Heavyweight Champion"? Even though the main roster, and title history still calls it just the United States Championship. Punk's bio is the only thing that calls it the ECW World Championship, so that's pretty weak to change the name based on that BBoy 01:42, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, change it back, wtf, people..think. TonyFreakinAlmeida 03:15, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Move protected - can you keep this discussion going, guys, until this is resolved? There have been a lot of moves in quite a short time. Let me or another admin on WP:RPP know when consensus has been reached. Thanks - Alison ☺ 18:38, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

There seems to only be one person who thinks we should include "World" in the title's name. So, I'd say it's pretty much a consensus that it should be called simply the "ECW Championship".63.3.9.1 06:44, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

I agree. There's been a clear difference in what the title has been called on television over the past year. At first, they'd call the champ the ECW World Heavyweight Champion, then it became the ECW World Champion, and recently they've simply called the champ the ECW Champion. Even the text that pops up on the screen when the champion is introduced for a match or interview is changed to reflect the current name of the championship.Odin's Beard 23:13, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. Now if people accepted that reasoning in my Undisputed CHampionship debates. Mshake3 23:15, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

ECW Championship, just because the webmaster decided to type the name in one new bit doesn't mean that's how the company refers to it when 99% of all other showings call it ECW Championship. ECW Championship is the name. TonyFreakinAlmeida 16:26, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

ECW Championship is the name referred by the ring announcer, the commentators and also the champion. It was first changed to "ECW World Championsip" to avoid confusion with Smackdown's World Heavyweight Title. ECW Championship it should be. Hhh210 12:26, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Version History of Title Belt

The original title belt was made by Mike Vartanian. It was similar to the Tri-State Wrestling Alliance Heavyweight belt. Instead of Tri-State Wrestling Alliance, the letters and wording was changed to Eastern Championship Wrestling

Version 2 saw the Pennsylvania state outline filled in with the letters "ECW" instead of Eastern Championship Wrestling. The paint scheme of the belt also changed from blue to red. The bottom portion of the belt previously said "We Wrestle, We Brawl, We Do It All". This was now replaced by stars. When Raven won the belt, the paint scheme was changed again to blue states with red accents.

Version 3 was a new design during the Extreme era also made by Mike Vartanian. This version was introduced in 1996. It featured the barbed wire ECW logo in red predominately displayed on the main plate.

Version 4 debuted with Shane Douglas in mid 1998. This was the first ECW belt designed by J-Mar Jody Marshall. This is the same style as currently used.

The original version featured purple and orange paint but was not liked and never used. The belt was repainted to the more notable blue globe, orange letters, red blood, purple ECW lettering and black banners. This version also featured wrestlers in the act of a "frogsplash" on each side of the globe on the main plate. Throughout the course of it's use, the belt has featured numerous small changes in the paint scheme and artwork.

First holder of the belt, Shane Douglas had a custom yellow backing on the belt, with the words "FRANCHISE" airbrushed in black paint. This version featured barbed wire baseball bats on top of a skull on both sides of the main plate.

When Taz won the title, a new belt was used. This belt had the same paint scheme as the previous but the skulls with barbed wire baseball bats were removed and replaced with "TAZ" on each side of the globe on the main plate. This belt also had orange snakeskin textured backing. The is the only version of the ECW Heavyweight belt that included a Logo Plate, a 6th plate on the right side of the belt. The logo plate was an orange oval that has "TAZ" in the middle. This belt served as the master belt for which the original set of Figures Inc. Toy Company replicas were based from without the logo plate.

Taz had the paint scheme of this belt changed to orange and black. This version was also reproduced in replica form by Figures Inc. Toy Company without the logo plate.

When Taz lost the belt at Anarchy Rulz 1999, he came to the ring with a new belt with the same artwork and paint scheme as the version Shane Douglas held, only with a black leather backing. This belt was used until the end of ECW in 2001.

In 2006 when the belt was reintroduced on WWE television, ECW Champion Rob Van Dam used a Figures Inc. Toy Company replica belt for several weeks while Jody Marshall worked on creating a new belt. Once the new belt was finished, it featured the same artwork with a slight exception. The skulls were removed from the sides of the globe and only the barbed wire baseball bats remained. Later in the year, the belt was repainted with red logos and all the etched spots were painted black. They are currently on the second version of this specific belt.

--BeltFanDan (talk) 23:49, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] name

why did they named it the ECW Championship with out the World. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.1.251.16 (talk) 20:38, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

My guess is so that it wouldn’t be confused with the World Heavyweight Championship on the SmackDown! brand. Another reason could be so that it would reflect the WWE Championship's name. This way it they would each be recognized in the company as the WWE, ECW, and World championships.-- bulletproof ^3:16 23:49, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

It's possible that it's an attempt to not confuse anyone. While I can't prove it, I'm wondering if might have anything to do with the fact that Pro Wrestling Illustrated doesn't recognize the ECW Championship as a "World" title. If you'll notice, the NWA World Championship was once again given "World" title status, at least in the eyes of PWI, in June of 2002. During that time, the WWE had merged the WWE and WCW Championships to form the WWE "Undisputed" Championship and, for a time, it was the only singles World title recognized by PWI. However, the WWE dropped the "Undisputed" hitch from the WWE Championship right around the time the NWA Championship's "World" status was onc again recognized by the WWE. Now, I'm a guy that doesn't really care what PWI prints. I don't know what process they go through to pick what's a world title and what isn't, nor do I know what makes them the "gold standard" and all that crap. And, while I don't think it can be proven one way or another that PWI's opinion of a world title has anything to do with the names of any WWE titles changing, it's kinda interesting.Odin's Beard (talk) 01:03, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Help, need picture....

Hey, I'm the one who put in the picture of Kane on the page, but I need a good picture with him holding the championship. Help?SimonKSK (talk) 19:19, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Well if there isn't a free use one (i.e. non-copyrighted) already on Wikipedia, we'll just have to wait for one to be uploaded. Although they might never happen. A fair use image would most likely be deleted because a free-use one can be obtained. ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 20:32, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Hey, who deleted it?!?SimonKSK (talk) 21:37, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

There's no point in having that image up if it's not of him with the title. –LAX 21:39, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

I have a free one with him and the championship, how do I upload it from my desktop?SimonKSK (talk) 23:07, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Read this and upload it here. –LAX 23:10, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The links are gone...

I can't get them back!!!SimonKSK (talk) 14:23, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] old belt again?

http://www.wwe.com/shows/ecw/superstars/chavoguerrero/photos/6277222/ It seems to me, that during Chavo's reign the went back to use the old belt design, the one without all the black that they used from Lashley's reign through Punk's. Herotastic (talk) 21:46, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Look at the 4th and 5th images on the site. Chavo's belt still has the black outline around it. It's the same belt. -- bulletproof ^3:16 01:20, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

That was when he'd just won it. Look at some of the other pictures or even some of Kane's. It's not the same belt. Herotastic (talk) 01:55, 25 April 2008 (UTC)