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This page should have a section on Korean art and art history. An article on Eastern art history would not be complete without discussion on Korea's role in the cultural development and transmission of culture in the Sinocentric ancient and pre-modern world. In over-simplified terms, the vector of culture transmission went from China to Korea to Japan, as well as China to Vietnam (the Sinocentric world included China, Korea, Japan, and Vietnam).

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[edit] Eastern art

Art history v. History of art. I recommend the move of this page. Its current title Eastern art history, is not appropriate. Art historians tend to make a definition between Art history and History of art. The former, briefly described, is a study of History through art, using artworks as visual documents. This present page is about the History of Art, its stylistic progression. I recommend that the page be called Eastern art. I am making the same recommendation with regards every article in the series.

--Amandajm 05:53, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pictures

In its current form this article is totally out of line with Wikipedia standards. First of all, I have never seen a picture (ever) that comes before the text of the article (especially one at 6000px). The Manual of Style states that articles should "start with a right aligned image". Users shouldn't have to scroll down to start reading, this is supposed to be an encyclopedia and text should come first.

The gallery on this article is also the largest I have ever seen by far, and looks more like a Commons page. The massive number of pictures takes forever to load on my computer and wastes an enormous amount of bandwidth. People with older computers might not even be able to load this page. The person who collected all these pictures should be aware that many users don't have fast computers.

My removal of images from this page was not based on opinion but rather on Wikipedia standards. The pictures should be removed again. Yemal 02:08, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Note: This article also has too many categories that are mostly redundant to Art by Region. However, categories are not that important so if you really want to keep them its ok. I also fixed the grammar of the first sentence, that shouldn't have been reverted.
Anyway the picture on the top absolutely needs to be removed. We can discuss how many pictures should be in the gallery. Personally I would prefer 4 but I suppose more (maybe 8?) would be alright too, its just now there are way too many. Also, Modernist, I'm sorry for reverting you, I can see you spent a lot of time gathering all the images together, but there are really just too many. Yemal 02:29, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
Thank you for your reply. I am going to move the lead picture in respect of your request. Unfortunately while some computers may not load this article well, it is important to visually represent the imagery presented from so many eras and countries. The picture above the article is one of the most amazing masterpieces of Chinese painting, it is there in the spirit of WP:IAR because it is a brilliant lead into Eastern art. This is an article that is primarily about the visual arts, consequently this article has important images that cannot be described in words.

There are many important articles of top quality with even more imagery. I recommend Haystacks (Monet). Please also be mindful of the WP:3RR, you will be in violation with your last revert. We are both better served discussing things here. Modernist 02:37, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

By the way if there are suggestions that you have about the removal of specific images, or categories I'm open to your views. Modernist 02:42, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
Ok, the wide image is fine in the Chinese section. But the gallery is really still too large. I would simply request that you trim it down as much as possible, you can decide which pictures remain. Personally I think there are too many Buddha pictures, this looks more like a Buddhist art gallery (I know how important Buddhism is to Asian culture, but having so many Buddhas is a bit redundant). And the terracotta soldier picture is not very clear. I think it would be possible to reduce the number of images to 4/8/12 and still provide an good overview of Eastern art. Yemal 02:53, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
Per your suggestion, I removed six images. The article definately needs text and work, when I have time I'll work on the text and give more context to the pictures. Modernist 03:09, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
Ok, thanks for understanding. The article certainly needs text expansion, when there is more text the pictures can be moved out of the gallery and into the body of the article. That would look much better. Maybe if I have some extra time I will help with this also, it shouldn't be too hard since some content can be borrowed from the main articles. Yemal 03:21, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Text

I added a little text the other day. This article needs fleshing out. Each category needs elaboration. I will add something when I can. Modernist 02:02, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Move?

I think maybe this should be moved to Asian art history. This seems to be the more common term about the subject covered here; "Eastern art" usually refers more to art of the near/middle east, this article covers art of the far east. Yemal (talk) 04:19, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Asian art

This page is close to Asian art where I did some editing. Should they be merged?

dino (talk) 16:13, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Merger_proposal

This article has much more detail, but the name Asian art somehow makes more sense.

dino (talk) 22:29, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Disagree

I positively do not support the idea of Asian art being incorporated here....or vice versa....Expand Asian art, create a good article there. I will help you, if you get it off the ground..Both of these articles have the potential of being important. Asian art implies contemporary, and contemporary asian art badly needs representation on Wikipedia.

Currently there isn't much there beyond images and lists, and while this article also needs much more substance and text it corresponds with Western art history...Eastern art history is more directly historical.

I like the idea of separate articles, Asian art includes Turkey, Persia, Iran and perhaps needs expansion to Malasia, and Micronesia perhaps it should emphasize the cultural diversity of all of Asia. Both articles need expansion. Modernist (talk) 22:46, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

  • disagree to merge the articles. The Middle Asian art is quite different from that of Eastern Asia. --Appletrees (talk) 12:28, 15 March 2008 (UTC)