Talk:Earl of Shrewsbury

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Yes, I know the "of" in the Viscountcy looks weird, but the London Gazette says:

The King has also been pleased to grant the Dignities of Viscount and Earl of the Kingdom of Great Britain to the Right Honourable John Lord Talbot, and the Heirs Male of his Body lawfully begotten, by the Name, Stile and Title of Viscount of Ingestrie, in the County of Stafford, and Earl Talbot of Hensol, in the County of Glamorgan.

I've been working through some of the LGs now online, and "of"s are turning up all over the place where previously we thought they never would (except in Scottish titles), so it looks like our current wisdom may need rethinking. (They're still never actually used, of course.) Proteus (Talk) 21:31, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Interesting. I presume you are referring to the relevant London Gazette in 1784, when these two titles were given. Oddly, Debrett's Peerage & Baronetage-1995 refers to "Viscount Ingestre" (page 1156). "Ingestre" or "of Ingestrie": what does the original patent say? By the way, as the wiki-page on Earl Talbot page points out, there were in fact two such creations, 1761 and 1784, the latter presumably "Earl Talbot of Hensol", and the former just "Earl Talbot". Worth correcting? The lines did not converge until later.Seneschally 20:09, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Unfortunately I don't have access to the original patents (I can but dream...), so the LG's all I've got to go on. The difference was the addition of a territorial designation to the second one. (The later one was "Earl Talbot, of Hensol in the County of Glamorgan" [you can't trust the absence of a comma in the LG to mean anything], whilst the earlier one was simply "Earl Talbot", as the LG shows:

The King has been pleased to grant unto the Right Honourable William Lord Talbot, Baron of Hensol in the County of Glamorgan, and the Heirs Male of his Body lawfully begotten, the Dignity of an Earl of the Kingdom of Great Britain, by the Name, Stile, and Title, of Earl Talbot. (1761)

The Barony was "Lord Talbot, Baron of Hensol in the County of Glamorgan", being one of the odd titles in that form.) I'd imagine the "Ingestrie"/"Ingestre" issue is simply a change in the conventional spelling, which often happens with titles (though just as often the original spelling is retained and contrasts with the new spelling of the place). Proteus (Talk) 17:14, 9 February 2007 (UTC)