Talk:Earl Lloyd George of Dwyfor
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Shouldn't this be at Earl Lloyd George? Burke's gives no hyphen, for one thing. john k 02:53, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
- I disagree, Mr. Kenney for, in other sources, it is hyphenated. In addition, "of Dwyfor" is a part of the peerage, and it is apparently recognised by a sufficient quantity of readers. --Anglius 02:59, 30 July 2005 (UTC)
Patrick Cracroft-Brennan posted on atr on 6th November 2000 "When I was sending out proofs for Cracroft's Peerage the present Earl Lloyd George of Dwyfor was at great pains to point out to me that there is no hyphen in either the family name or title." One assumes the "of Dwyfor" was to remove the need to hyphenate: generally unhyphenated surname titles aren't allowed (e.g. Andrew Lloyd Webber, Baron Lloyd-Webber, Mark Bonham Carter, Baron Bonham-Carter), as "Lord Lloyd Webber" looks like Lloyd, the younger son of a Duke or Marquess whose surname is "Webber". Obviously adding an "of X" removes this problem (yet another point to add to my ""of X"s should never be left out" argument; how nice). (Although that doesn't explain why Jane Bonham Carter, Baroness Bonham-Carter of Yarnbury has one. Perhaps because the previous Bonham(-)Carter peerage had one and she wanted to be consistent.) And, of course, as John has pointed out, Burke's also leaves out the hyphen (although they still manage to maintain their slapdash approach by including "of Dwyfor" at the beginning and then forgetting it in the address). Proteus (Talk) 17:36, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
