Talk:E. H. Carr

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there's a wikipedia page for the twenty years crisis so surely this page should link to it? plus i would have thought that it would be mentioned in the article, not just the bibliography, because isn't that pretty much his biggest claim to fame? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.137.189.212 (talk) 21:39, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

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Wasn't he a Stalin's apologist? How far was he from Irving? Xx236 11:32, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Contents 1 Article location 2 Clean-up 2.1 Two versions of Carr and Morgenthau 3 Stalin's apologist 4 error

[edit] Article location

From recollection don't all his books use his intials? (Similar to his contemporary A. J. P. Taylor) Would E. H. Carr be a better located for this article? Timrollpickering 14:59, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

No-one's commented on this so far so unless there's an objection I'll move the page to E. H. Carr in two days. Timrollpickering 00:18, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

I beleive it is much more common to refer to Carr as to E. H. Carr or in other words it's really rare to use his full name. I don't like initials in categories (the person still has full name no matter what is used more often) but in this case it's probably appropriate.--Pethr 01:38, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Moved. Timrollpickering 00:15, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Clean-up

I cleaned-up text submitted by 88.243.66.47 on 23:42, 27 December 2006. I commented out text included below, since it needs rewrite. Article as a whole still needs much editing as well...

[edit] Two versions of Carr and Morgenthau

1. the textbook version that reduces most of the complexities, caricaturing the thinkers. Since people generally read these men from secondary sources, they mistaken what is said about them to be their original thoughts. the second version rests on their actual writings. It is said of Carr that he lacks a coherent theory, but that is not the case. Carr defines himself neither a realist nor an idealist. He first uses utopianism and realism as ideal types, secondly he criticizes both from each others perspective, thirdly he develops a utopianism that is endowed with the conceptual tools of realism. This "sound political thinking" is not realism per se.

In a nutshell: Three principles of realism according to Carr: 1. Determination 2. Practice determines theory 3. Ethics is a function of power 4. Adjustment of thought to purpose (interest)

On the last principle: according to the realist, theory is a tool in the service of its propagators. Example: harmony of interests in Carr, or the idea of peace that freezes a social organization based on slavery. If you are able to convince the slave that he is better off being a slave, you spare yourself from the bothers of a slave revolt!

Another example is the recent propaganda war during the War in Iraq (liberators from a democratic country coming to save the poor people of Iraq from a terrible dictator. The whole idea is that the democratic country is always the more benevolent one). --Pethr 02:03, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

I don't understand what happened here. I've (once again?) removed several paragraphs that read like notes taken during a lecture about Carr or excerpts from a book. --Gregor Kneussel (talk) 14:50, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Stalin's apologist

Is Carr any better than Irving? Why?Xx236 08:49, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Dear Xx236 we know each other Carr seems to be one of the fathers of the European Union now you know more.--88.233.209.200 —Preceding comment was added at 14:59, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] error

he died on third of november, not on fifth and history of russia is actually 10 volumes according to britannica. I corrected them. Elsanaturk 11:22, 8 April 2007 (UTC)