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[edit] helpme

User:Wiggy! deletes the Sportvereinigung Dynamo from the section Uncertainty and Succes.

I suppose you could call this a content dispute. You should discuss here on the talk page to see if consensus can be found. You might like to invite Wiggy! to this talk page to discuss the problem. Wikipedia:Resolving disputes has other ideas about resolving disputes.--Commander Keane 21:13, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

This has been a long-running bit of business in which Kay (under three or four different identities now) has been pushing a pro-East Germany/Dynamo POV in which he attempts to agrandize his club(s) articles and anything even peripherally related. This editor has ignored all civil attempts to work the issue out. He's cursed me, edit-stalked me, been blocked more than once, ignored polite advice (from me and others), ip edited to evade blocks - you name it. His work is straight POV and of generally poor quality. I seriously doubt that opening a formal dispute will garner him much support, and given his ignoring the outcome of similar processes that didn't go his way, it would be just too ironic. You can help yourself, Kay, by shelving your POV and sticking to good quality edits instead of plastering everything in sight as Dynamo. Wiggy! 21:50, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

{{helpme}} User Wiggy deletes constantly the SV Dynamo out from section uncertainty and success. It is the grounding association of the Dynamo Dresden!--Kay Körner 20:35, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Your edit history (under multiple user names) is clearly POV. The sentence you are adding is in poorly written English. The link you are adding is to an irrelevant and poorly written/organized article built around your POV and does not add anything useful to the Dynamo Dresden article. I have always left your good quality edits alone, except to copy edit them for English where necessary. I have copy edited (in good faith) several of your articles to make them more readable. I have also always challenged your POV - which has gotten wildly out of hand on more than one occasion - and I will continue to do so. I notice a number of other editors have also done so. The world - and Wikipedia - does not revolve around Dynamo or the former East Germany. Wiggy! 20:53, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Talk out the conflict here, or list the problem at WP:ANI. Miranda 20:59, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

This user has ignored previous attempts (in both English and German) to manage this and related issues under multiple identities over the course of months. He refuses to rein in his POV to the point, for example, that he linked his pet club to the article oak trees because of the oak laurels on the club logo. He's capable of good edits and has made some decent contributions, but it is inappropriate to plaster Dynamo on everything like some sort of gang tag. Wiggy! 21:07, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Edit war

This has descended into a ridiculous edit war that's been going on for weeks, and you (Kay and Wiggy) both seem to be as bad as each other. A mention of the club's affiliation to SV Dynamo should be mentioned, as it is relevant, but the commonscat is not appropriate, nor is the youtube link. ArtVandelay13 12:52, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Fair enough, however the SV page is little more than reams of ill-translated communist themed propaganda and a sheaf of improperly sourced uninformative images. The recent edits there have added some useful stuff, but its still pretty much a wretched article that is the pet of an editor with a demonstrated POV and disruptive editing style. There's some interesting things to say about Dynamo and the other East German workers sports clubs that arose in the mid-60s. It isn't being said. Not even close. The article is just a dumping ground of useless lists and other flotsam that doesn't approach any recognized standard as an article and I don't see anybody stepping up to improve the thing.

And before you compare me to Kay you need to follow his record around a bit. Somebody needs to stand up to his idiocy - I for one am not inclined to translate that bit of German text he added to the SV talk page on the expectation that he can just tack it on to the article, or sit back and simply watch while he makes some other sort of mess (which he's done repeatedly). He needs to show some repsect for other editors and for what Wikipedia is about. I'm out there making and improving articles, not pushing any POV or duking it out with other folks. Wiggy! 13:25, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

All of this may be true, but none of it's particularly relevant to Dynamo Dresden, and the resulting edit war is having an adverse effect on the page. Any problems on the SVD page need to be taken up on that page; a wikilink to an article is based on relevance, not the quality of the article, and SV Dynamo remain relevant to SGD. ArtVandelay13 17:40, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

You are missing the point that the editor in question absolutely refuses on any level, and in a much broader context, to conduct himself in a responsible fashion by building informative non-POV articles. So, that aside, I'll concede the point related to wikilink and keep an eye and see what develops. And hope that somebody is able to turn the SV article in something other than dreck. Thanks for the dose of sobriety. Wiggy! 18:10, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

If the commonscat (relation too tenuous) and the youtube link (copyright nightmare) persist then it needs to be taken to a higher authority, rather than going back and forth like this. ArtVandelay13 20:13, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I know. But that'll just be more of the same crap that I have been trying to manage for months. I have girded/resigned myself to it as my expectations with respect to this guy are not particularly high. Thanks for your help in any case. Wiggy! 20:47, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Well, it's begun. Here and on other pages. Wiggy! 18:44, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, this definitely needs an administrator to intervene. ArtVandelay13 17:42, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

FYI Kay has been blocked from editing (in all his various incarnations) for his abusive approach and sockpuppetry both here and at de:Wikipedia for about a week now. Wiggy! 23:34, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] SG Dynamo Dresden is a MFS ("Stasi")-Club!

Like the players, trainers and the chairmen of this club in the era of the GDR!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.76.178.207 (talk) 09:22, 26 September 2007 (UTC)